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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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how you doing today is wednesday

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december 1st

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2021 334 days into the new year only 31

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a

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total undisclosed location but it is

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beautiful in here folks

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yippers

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer and an x networks i am your host

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jimmy church what is

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rocking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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ah yeah tonight it's gonna be one of

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those nights here on fade to black

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because we have very special guests nick

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redfern is here

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i'm going to be talking time travel all

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines

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tonight's gonna be a great show

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tonight is gonna be a great show

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time travel

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i think about it all the time

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i do we all do

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we all do hg wells right the time

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we we all think about it and uh i'll be

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talking more about it here in just a bit

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but let's uh

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let's just start here follow me on

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twitter at j church radio

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answers you want to do follow me on

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yippers that's what you want to do join

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those trolls

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did you hear about what's going down in

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australia by the way

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australia man they've got troll

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and one of the things i haven't talked

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about it on the show and and uh the

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releases from the government over there

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deeper but

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everybody down under that listens to the

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show i would love to get your comments

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shoot me an email pop it up in twitter

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right there at j church radio pop it up

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let me know what you think and in a

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if you're trolling somebody

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the the platform that you're on

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then the fines go into place and and and

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of the account holder and give that to

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the person that is being trolled

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and and with fines

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it's kind of the way it should be if you

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save all of it save all of it if if i'm

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just talking about if you're anonymous

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it's not on who you're trolling

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if if you don't like a politician if you

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and protest you're doing it with your

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isn't it i'm just saying all right so

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come and join me and all the other

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right here on twitter at j church radio

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the sandboxes hashtag

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f2b on twitter breaking news

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for the second year in a row puerto

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rican porto rican rapper and singer bad

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bunny

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was the most streamed artist in 2021

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according to spotify and their annual

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breakdown of streaming data with more

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than 9.1 billion streams this year

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bad bunny beat out taylor swift who came

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in number two followed by bts drake and

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justin bieber

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respectfully now the most streamed song

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in the world

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was in bad bunny though the most

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streamed song in the world

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is olivia rodrigo's smash hit

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driver's license there you go you can

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check out the complete list right there

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on spotify okay

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a couple of years ago a group of

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engineers at princeton university in new

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jersey began experimenting with

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glenn levitt whiskey and they weren't

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the teen found out that unlike coffee

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glenn levitt leaves almost an entirely

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uniform stain

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when it evaporates now what am i talking

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about here where am i going with this

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because i'm not talking about vodka

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jensen kim and his colleagues at the

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university of south carolina not

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princeton south carolina

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have built on this discovery out of

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princeton to create electronic

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components in which one layer

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is deposited entirely by the evaporation

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they say their approach has the

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potential to make electronics

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manufacturing more environmentally

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glenn levitt's unusual properties were

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the results of its concentrated mixture

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of ethanol and water and the unique

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composition of polymers and and

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that it contains now the complex

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well check this out home alone every

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year christmas comes along and

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everybody watches that

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family classic right that christmas

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classic home alone well

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all of you home alone fans

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airbnb

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is listing the home from home alone

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a true piece of christmas movie history

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the halls of the waneka illinois mansion

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will be decked for christmas including

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perfectly trimmed tree

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and twinkling holiday lights guests also

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get a lego ideas home alone kit to take

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and a fridge stocked with 1990s junk

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food and chicago pizza plus

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visitors will be given booby traps

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that they can set around the house i'm

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making this up and it gets better

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the listing

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is just 25

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for the night only one lucky person is

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going to get it and the booking opens at

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2 p.m eastern time on december 7th in

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five days for a stay on december 12th

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the lucky guests will arrange their own

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transportation to chicago however

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i had to do this i didn't want to let

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has suspended prime time anchor chris

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that's right after new documents

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revealed the cozy and improper nature of

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his relationship with the aids to his

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and i'm just going to leave it right

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there chris cuomo

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he just does not look like a fun guy

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anyway let's get the show cracking

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happy birthday to today bette midler is

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blue oyster cults now listen to this for

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a second bette midler is 76. i go back

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to the rows and i think about that okay

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and how okay bette midler 76 that makes

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but blue oyster cults eric bloom

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today

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younger than eric bloom

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gilbert o'sullivan you remember that

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song alone again naturally which was

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like a big hit in 1922.

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he's younger than blue oyster cults eric

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bloom

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today gilbert o'sullivan is 74. our dead

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guy's birthday today is

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1934-2016 died at the age of 82.

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billy was a grammy award-winning soul

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singer known for his 1972 number one hit

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and mrs jones

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as well as the 1973 album in single war

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of the gods which blended pop soul and

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funk with electronic and psychedelic

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he was one of the many artists

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associated with the philadelphia soul

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sound created by kenny gamble leon huff

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and tom bell

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stevie wonder once said about billy he

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said and i quote one of the criminally

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unmentioned proprietors of socially

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conscious music end quote that kind of

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says it all billy died on the afternoon

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of april 24 2016 at his home in

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clauchester township new jersey from

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pancreatic cancer at the age of 81.

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me and mrs jones go and listen to that

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song go and listen to it after the show

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tonight um before

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you go watch season three of lost in

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space you know what i'm doing tonight

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12 nations

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including the united states and the

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soviet union

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sign the antarctica treaty which bans

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military activity and weapons testing on

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that continent it was the first arms

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control agreement signed

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in the cold war period

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and uh you know what i watched uh

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uh recently in the last few days i i had

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to watch it in in halves but

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i watched by don's early light have you

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ever seen that

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with uh

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uh what's his name booth uh what's his

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first name

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i can't

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think of his first name

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and uh and what's her name uh

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anyway it's like made in 1990 huge cast

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man riptorn

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it's uh a great cast anyway uh by dawn's

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early light go check that out if

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that's a sleeper it's a good movie fader

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fact

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bank of america

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was originally founded by

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ap giannini

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an italian

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and the bank was

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the bank of italy

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opened in north carolina that's a fact

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i read the whole history about ap cool

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guy though

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and uh great family history tonight nick

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redfern is here we're going to be

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talking time travel

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all night long tomorrow's another fader

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night with open lines

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and uh there you go i got to hit this

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river moon coffee i just posted up a

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link

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uh river moon chef

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[Laughter]

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jeff shot and he posted a picture today

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of him with his guitars

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and uh and river moon coffee and i just

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had to do the retweet that's just an

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amazing picture the flowing locks the

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grace

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the gretch

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it's got a strat right there too

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great shot great picture and uh

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everybody go visit

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rivermoonwellness.com i'm going to hit

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um

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i also posted a picture

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of me wearing

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my christmas present from christina

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gomez

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my e.t eating ramen shirt

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and

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thank you christina it's uh it's a great

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shirt it's an amazing shirt

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and i wore it out in public today it

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just wanted to get reaction

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all right where am i at what am i doing

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rivermoonwellness.com fade to block

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blend

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all right yeah there there it is there's

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the picture

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and uh there you go i had ramen today

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i did i had i had well this is what i

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did cup of noodles chicken flavor

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and

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italian meatballs

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cut those up put those in a bowl

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and then took the cup of noodles

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and just poured it over the top of the

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chopped up uh italian meatballs

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stirred that up and

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man

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and so i'm eating the ramen

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and christina's like she texts me she

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goes what's up with my e.t ramen shirt

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man you ever going to wear it on the

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show i said i'm wearing it now i'm

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wearing it now

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while i'm eating ramen

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and that's the universe connecting

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that really happened today ask her

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it was weird

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it was really weird all right time

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travel

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well

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it's great

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that we have nick redfern on with us

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tonight to talk a little bit of time

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travel and if you have listened to this

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show over the years you already know

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about my deeper interest in the subject

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but if you are new to the show well

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tonight's gonna be great

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but it'll only scratch the surface

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with how much time no pun intended

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that i have put into it over the years

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last week

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i talked about a few cases that caught

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my attention going back almost 20 years

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things that made its way into the mass

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media

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and i mentioned all of that because i'm

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always excited when i see something pop

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up in in my news feed about time travel

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um but lately

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i have been

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deep

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into a few different books

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uh one michio kakuz the future of

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humanity terraform terraforming mars

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interstellar travel and immortality and

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our destiny beyond earth that's the

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title of the book it's a great book

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brian greens until the end of time

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another great book

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i've read both of those books so many

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times and i'm i'm going through them

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again

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and part of that is because of the new

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release by andrew cohen and it's called

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the universe the book of the bbc tv

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series presented by professor brian cox

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okay now

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in all three books

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there is a pretty big section on time

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travel

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and each one is different

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well pretty much but but also they they

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overlap a little bit

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and i research so much about time travel

430
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and i'm always absorbing and and i

431
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i do it so much i see the overlap

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right

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well

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actually

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they overlap a lot but that but that's

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not the point

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the point is

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it makes me think

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it's what it does i ponder i'm just into

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the subject of time travel

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now

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moving forward in time

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you know time travel into the future

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well all three books agree that it's not

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only possible but fairly easy and in due

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time

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we'll be doing it

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it's really not that big of a deal all

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right and so physicists and scientists

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and thinkers

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they all agree time travel into the

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future

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right okay

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going back in time well that's a whole

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nother story

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it's a lot more complex

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and each author in these three books

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approaches it differently and two out of

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three

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here

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they say yes it's possible it's just not

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probable and one says it just ain't

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gonna happen ever and you can figure

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that out on your own you can go read

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three books but one thing is for sure

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all of us no matter who you are

467
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all of this approach time travel

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with

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what we know now

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this limitation of thinking about time

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travel with our knowledge that we have

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today

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really narrows our focus on what is

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possible

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and i'm thoroughly convinced that any

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advanced civilization beyond our own

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has got time travel dialed the forward

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back sideways doesn't matter they got it

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figured out the simplest form of time

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travel is very very easy and it's

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mechanical

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no time machine needed

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that's right

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you just jump on the spaceship and head

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out

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metal

487
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you know you approach the speed of light

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or as close to it as you can get you top

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out

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and you make a u-turn you turn around

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that's it that's it

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nothing more to it than that

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yeah no time is she needed you return

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back to earth

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in the future now depending on your

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speed and how long your trip was well

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that'll determine how much in the future

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you have traveled

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now some say this isn't real time travel

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but i assure you that when you get back

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and it's a thousand years in the future

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and everyone that you knew is dead

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way dead

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you're 100 a time traveler

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that's it

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now i've discussed this many times on

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the show for sure and einstein has made

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it all very clear for us but

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00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,600
this is time travel there's no other way

510
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,200
to look at it

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now traveling back in time

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now that's where it's at

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we all want to check it out right of

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course we do

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and

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i'd like to just time travel back a week

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have it do over or two

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00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,760
you know it seems simple enough you know

519
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just a week ago yesterday you don't just

520
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time travel back a day right

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back in 1982 when i was working for bell

522
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labs

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i wrote a whole story about time travel

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on my own at home i typed it out too

525
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i wanted it to be a book one day and

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maybe i'll get around to it but

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that was almost 40 years ago

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and my ideas about it back then were

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pretty deep but

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it was all about going back to the past

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and living life over and over again

532
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groundhog day hadn't even been released

533
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,919
yet

534
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,240
but you get the idea we all want to go

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back in time and i guess my point is

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that

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00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,400
are thinking about things

538
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but they're putting too much into it

539
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,000
they're trying to apply today's science

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00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:00,400
into something that in the end

541
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will turn out to be very simple to do

542
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,799
traveling back in time that is and for

543
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:08,400
some reason

544
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,159
i keep going back to the same principles

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that einstein gave us about the future

546
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,400
right an easier way to look at it don't

547
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,960
make it complex which is this what if we

548
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,520
were able to leave this planet

549
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right and come back to a point

550
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when things haven't happened yet

551
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,880
just the opposite of returning to the

552
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future remember right now the future

553
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:36,240
hasn't happened right but we can do that

554
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so if you can return when it does in the

555
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future can you return when things

556
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,240
haven't happened yet it's really that

557
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simple the complex thoughts about

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instantly reversing time putting

559
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:51,039
everything back to where they were

560
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,080
before

561
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:54,640
just not here on earth but it would have

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to apply everywhere in the universe

563
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:00,640
that version just can't work and i get

564
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,600
it but honestly the same issues for

565
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,600
instantly going into the future

566
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instantly not on a ship i'm just talking

567
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,400
about time machine

568
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,799
huge amounts of energy

569
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huge amounts

570
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,240
right same thing going into the past

571
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,120
it's just huge amounts of energy right

572
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,159
you know um but just jumping into a a

573
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,080
travel ship

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leaving the planet and returning at a

575
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,400
specific date that sounds really cool to

576
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:31,600
me and it sounds easy too

577
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:32,320
so

578
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,720
where are all the time travelers

579
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:41,279
where they at

580
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,480
well

581
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,720
as soon as we are able to build

582
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,120
starships that are capable of amazing

583
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,440
speeds physical speeds or wormholes it

584
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,640
doesn't matter

585
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,559
we'll be seeing some people returning

586
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,240
from vacation

587
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,559
with some pretty incredible picks and

588
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,679
stories to go along with them

589
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,400
maybe we'll finally find out

590
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,240
how the egyptians

591
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,960
built the pyramids

592
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,159
seriously

593
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,679
think about it

594
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,840
take all the complexities out take it

595
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,600
all out take up

596
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,480
take out everything reversing you've got

597
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,080
to reverse time it's going to take all

598
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,159
the energy of the universe man the rest

599
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:21,440
of the universe has got to get turned

600
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,159
back in time too wouldn't just be here

601
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,279
it's impossible to remove that

602
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:30,240
take all of that out of the play

603
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,039
right

604
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,600
if we are able to zip out and come back

605
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,440
into the future

606
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,480
there must be a way to do the same thing

607
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,559
and find earth

608
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,880
at the speed of light

609
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,080
before it

610
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,240
traveled

611
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,080
it's really that simple

612
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,080
think about it i'm your host jimmy

613
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,559
church tonight nick redford is here he's

614
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,480
got his new book out

615
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,559
and this is the deal

616
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,360
it's about time travel it's called a

617
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:02,240
time travel the science and science

618
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,279
fiction

619
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,200
so we're going to discuss the book but i

620
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want to know what nick feels about time

621
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,919
travel what does he think what does he

622
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,840
really think what inspired him to write

623
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,880
this book

624
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,600
i mean i want to write mine

625
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,360
this is fade to black i am your host

626
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jimmy church i'm the game changer and on

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i'll be right back with our guest

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nick redfern right after this short

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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chris what up this jimmychurchradio.com

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jimmy church radio

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[Music]

721
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,399
all right welcome back fade to black i

722
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,320
am your host jimmy church

723
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,640
it's time travel night here on fade to

724
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,799
black our guest is nick redfern tomorrow

725
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,960
night is open lines

726
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,039
tomorrow night is fader night but

727
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,600
tonight it's nick

728
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,360
we're gonna be talking about time travel

729
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,960
he's got a new book out it's called time

730
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,760
travel the science in science fiction

731
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,000
we all know that nick works full-time as

732
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,440
an author he's a lecturer he's a

733
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:48,080
journalist he writes about everything

734
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,919
unsolved including bigfoot ufos

735
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,720
loch ness monster aliens government

736
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,240
conspiracies

737
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,039
his books include for nobody's eyes only

738
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,120
monster files the world's weirdest

739
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,039
places the pyramids and the pentagon

740
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:05,840
keep out the real men in black nasa

741
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:08,720
conspiracies contactees memories

742
00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:12,240
memoirs of a monster hunter and all of

743
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,720
his links are over at

744
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,360
jimmychurchradio.com and i would like to

745
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:16,799
welcome back to fade to black the most

746
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:19,440
heavy metal researcher i know

747
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,799
nick redfearn

748
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,799
nick how you doing tonight

749
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,600
hey jimmy i'm doing good thanks

750
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,799
are you the most heavy metal medalist

751
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,120
conspiracy researcher out there i mean

752
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:32,720
are you in that class would you put

753
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:35,760
yourself right there um well um well you

754
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,720
know i'm more into punk music than metal

755
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,640
but there's some metal i like stuff like

756
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,880
um ramstein and

757
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,279
rob zombie and stuff like that yeah

758
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:47,840
ramstein man

759
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,279
you know you should check out hypocrisy

760
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,679
if if you like ramstein check out check

761
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,679
out hypocrisy and i'm just going to

762
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,720
leave it right there their new album

763
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,279
is mad

764
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:04,159
their new album the cover

765
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,320
is a step pyramid from central america a

766
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,040
mayan pyramid right

767
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,280
with an e.t standing in front of it with

768
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,879
a throng of people and you know what

769
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,960
it's called

770
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:18,480
warship

771
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,839
that's what i'm talking about

772
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,240
and uh peter tucker and the singer of

773
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,720
hypocrisy who wears a fade to black

774
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,040
shirt when he's on stage by the way

775
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:31,200
um you know they're such a big band and

776
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:32,240
and stuff

777
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,639
but um peter uh showed me a couple of

778
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,800
years ago the developments of the

779
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,399
artwork for the cover

780
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,720
you know and and that's my opinion i i

781
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,639
didn't tell them too much you know it

782
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,200
was excellent from the word go i said i

783
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,480
think you need to change the amount of

784
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:51,119
fingers on the et's hand stuff like that

785
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:52,159
anyway

786
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,119
um

787
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,000
he's fully into this he is

788
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,240
he one of their songs is called days of

789
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,839
disclosure

790
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,400
and uh fully fully engaged so you got

791
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:04,240
the you got the great

792
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,000
uh death metal thing going on with these

793
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,920
lyrics that deal with contact and

794
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,240
disclosure it's it's really a cool

795
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,280
approach

796
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:15,359
um anyway how do we just get off on

797
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,950
nick asked me the other day we're

798
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:22,880
talking on the phone um he wanted to

799
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,400
know how low i slung my guitars how how

800
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,240
low do i go

801
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,560
and that's always a concern man it's

802
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:32,560
it's always a concern i think for guitar

803
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,599
players

804
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,839
how low do you have your guitar and

805
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,280
still play

806
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,760
yeah that's that's totally important i

807
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:40,880
mean uh

808
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:43,839
the only the only good way to uh to play

809
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,560
a guitar is with it below your waist

810
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,320
yeah and uh

811
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,720
that reminds me i call it romance type

812
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:53,200
yeah yeah yeah uh when i was in my punk

813
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,240
band

814
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,440
uh the singer uh ian he's no longer with

815
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,920
us but ian this is nobody used to tell

816
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,599
me he was such a hardcore punker he

817
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,920
produced wasted youth right just a

818
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:05,440
hardcore punker

819
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,640
and he used to call my guitars

820
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:10,240
bow ties

821
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,109
you go you know put on the bow tie and

822
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,520
uh it gave me a lot of grief for it man

823
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,359
i did the best that i could

824
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,720
but uh it just never got that low so um

825
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,480
anyway uh

826
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,160
time travel

827
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,680
and this is the thing i i we

828
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,440
we're gonna have so much to talk about

829
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:35,359
tonight but

830
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:40,320
what inspired you to write the book

831
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,200
well

832
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,079
i guess more than anything it was based

833
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,119
on the fact that um when i was sort of

834
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,640
looking into the subject of time travel

835
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:51,599
and

836
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,240
um

837
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,920
and scientific well there's nothing

838
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,680
wrong with that of course

839
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,640
but he knows some of it you need to be

840
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,079
sort of like a

841
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,640
you know a professor of whatever to to

842
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,280
grasp it and then at the other and the

843
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,560
other end you've got like um

844
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:15,440
the um you know the the

845
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,640
the fiction angle the uh movies tv that

846
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:20,079
kind of thing

847
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:20,960
and

848
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,040
something that sort of

849
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,079
um jumps up right in the middle you know

850
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,240
sort of um

851
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,720
uh time travel for all of us you know

852
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,359
because i'm certainly not a scientist

853
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:37,440
you know to say the very least

854
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,880
um but i felt that you know get put

855
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,640
something out there that's we can all

856
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,520
read

857
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:45,680
and that's we can all get our

858
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,960
you know our grasp around and and look

859
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,800
at the different theories because i

860
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,000
think a lot of people um

861
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,839
and this includes me as well you know

862
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,040
when we think of time travel we think

863
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:00,960
pretty much um

864
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,400
of uh the world of fiction even if we're

865
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,960
not sort of consciously doing that

866
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,280
you know but we do think of like sort of

867
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,200
the scenario in

868
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,359
like sort of back to the future you know

869
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,040
sort of hitting the button in the

870
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:18,160
delorean and get back to the 1950s and

871
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,880
see

872
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,800
your mom you know

873
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:22,000
and um

874
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,839
but um the the fact is if you look at

875
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:26,720
the

876
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,760
travel it's very different um but

877
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,720
but even i have to say as i said that um

878
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,480
you know when you're talking about time

879
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,960
travel you really um

880
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,560
are sort of driven

881
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,440
um

882
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,280
to the you know the

883
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:48,079
entertainment angle i mean some classic

884
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,079
examples um would be um hg wells is 1895

885
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,640
uh novel the time machine

886
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:57,680
now

887
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,800
that one it's a really good um book and

888
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:03,760
it still stands uh to this day

889
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:07,040
and um it's been made into two uh movies

890
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,079
as well

891
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,520
and then of course we got the 1968

892
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,320
planet of the apes movie um charlton

893
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,480
heston's character taylor nasa

894
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,760
astronauts

895
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,560
arrives on this nightmarish world by a

896
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,359
ruthless race of talking apes and then

897
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:26,240
he realizes at the end of the film

898
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:27,440
um

899
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,960
he's back home back on home

900
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,280
and uh another one um

901
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,160
which is a cool one as well uh 1984's

902
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:40,560
the philadelphia experiments which sort

903
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,400
of plays on um the the so-called real

904
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,040
philadelphia experiments um

905
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,240
intended to make a warship

906
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:52,720
invisible uh during the second world war

907
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,400
but supposedly or allegedly as some say

908
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,320
um that the

909
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,560
a number of the personnel from the ship

910
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,280
were flung into the future uh very

911
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,240
controversial but the important thing is

912
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:07,680
that um

913
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:11,520
those sort of um scenarios cinema

914
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,079
scenarios um tv scenarios um

915
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,440
they really are sort of the what we

916
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,480
uh our own perspectives pretty much are

917
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,040
driven by that um

918
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,920
and then at the other side of the um

919
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:30,000
the sign if you like you know we've got

920
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,520
things like wormholes black holes um

921
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,880
which um according to some scientists

922
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,359
if we could actually achieve

923
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:41,839
going through a black hole going through

924
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:45,119
a wormhole we might actually be able to

925
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,119
distort time and if we were to continue

926
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,000
with the research possibly even for her

927
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,200
to use wormholes to actually go to

928
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,720
specific time zones rather than just at

929
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,920
random

930
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,000
and as i said you know there is a lot of

931
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,920
science in this

932
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,680
but um

933
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,079
but when you start looking into it

934
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,280
and um

935
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,319
you know and we do it and ride it and

936
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:15,280
listen to it for for the rest of us you

937
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:16,079
know

938
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,119
um

939
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:20,319
it actually comes to great air to grips

940
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,079
really easy um and on top of that we've

941
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,200
also got different types of time travel

942
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,119
there's this sort of the classic

943
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,319
um scenario we've just talked about

944
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,800
um but then we've also got things that

945
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:36,720
perhaps a lot of people wouldn't think

946
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,920
about using in a time travel book but i

947
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,319
felt they were relevant things like

948
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,200
prophetic dreams and nightmares in other

949
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,680
words um you know you have this

950
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:49,680
nightmarish dream

951
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:52,960
and two weeks later you know those

952
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,480
events come out 100 percent

953
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,359
and

954
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,680
clearly demonstrating that in some

955
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:01,040
strange way

956
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,760
um time had been sort of scrambled and

957
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,520
i also talked about in the book things

958
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,119
like deja vu

959
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,160
um you know this sort of weird scenario

960
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,079
we've all had at some time

961
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:16,880
um where you're thinking

962
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,160
about something anything and suddenly

963
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,400
you think hang on you know i remember

964
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,319
this and like two years ago and it's

965
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,200
playing out exactly the same again and

966
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:30,000
um and of course in the matrix movie you

967
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,200
know you've got

968
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,160
deja vu being sort of demonstrating that

969
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:36,400
it's the uh you know the glitch in the

970
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,240
matrix so i've i thought doing the book

971
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,400
it would be sort of cooler rather than

972
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,040
just to go through the sides but talk to

973
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:47,280
talk some of those strange

974
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,720
um alternative aspects of things like

975
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:51,920
deja vu

976
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,119
and uh prophetic dreams where clearly

977
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,839
again you know you've got this angle of

978
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,160
well time just did something really

979
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:01,839
strange then

980
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,119
yeah and uh one of the books

981
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,160
that uh i've read a few times this year

982
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,520
it's uh kip thorne's book the physicist

983
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,560
uh nobel uh prize winning

984
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,400
kip thorne

985
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,280
the science of interstellar the movie

986
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:21,280
now uh kipp

987
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,240
uh

988
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,200
was the consultant on the film

989
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,839
and so you have all of the time travel

990
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:30,480
that happens in the book uh or in the

991
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,440
movie

992
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,079
and and the science behind it and he

993
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,560
spent probably half of the book

994
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,599
is about altering time and and how that

995
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,000
was achieved and how those principles

996
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,839
were applied into the movie so that they

997
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,960
would be accurate with the current you

998
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,760
know uh research into physics and time

999
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,760
travel and black holes and

1000
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,640
and and horizons and so forth um and

1001
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,040
it's a great reference book for this and

1002
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:58,480
the reason

1003
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,839
uh that kip lays this out like he does

1004
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,040
is

1005
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,160
uh he's got the same thing with time

1006
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,720
travel i think most of us do which is

1007
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,040
daydreaming when you're 10 years old if

1008
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,880
i could just go back

1009
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,440
right yeah that's right yeah and and i'm

1010
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:17,119
sure that you did the same thing as a

1011
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,319
kid

1012
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,839
what what

1013
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,599
where did you want to go did you want to

1014
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,839
go into the future or did you want to go

1015
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,160
into the distant past

1016
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,160
well i mean that's a good question

1017
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,720
because um you know if you go into the

1018
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:32,640
past

1019
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,920
and you're able to go to one direction

1020
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,880
uh or one time frame well at least you

1021
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,480
in one degree

1022
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,839
you have a

1023
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,160
chance of understanding at least where

1024
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,280
you're going to some degree

1025
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,160
on the other hand you know if we go

1026
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:51,920
forward in time

1027
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,119
you may be in for a really big nasty

1028
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,000
shock you know not realizing i you know

1029
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,400
i think a lot of us perhaps kind of

1030
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,560
think that the more technologically

1031
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,680
advanced we get the more and more

1032
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,760
better our lives are going to be

1033
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,400
well look at the world now you know i

1034
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,560
mean you know we're progressing in the

1035
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:14,640
years but we're not really progressing

1036
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,000
too well right now you know so um yeah

1037
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,400
you go into the you go into the future

1038
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,079
right a thousand years and you're

1039
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,000
expecting flying cars

1040
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,640
and it's nothing but a burnt out shell

1041
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,440
from a nuclear war right

1042
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,200
nothing oh they're still just ranting on

1043
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,839
about calvin still yeah right right

1044
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,319
right right right but going back to the

1045
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,680
past is safe it's like a warm

1046
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,760
fuzzy thing right you're going back to

1047
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,079
the past either when you're a kid

1048
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,760
you you want to go back to another

1049
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,000
christmas that you have whatever relive

1050
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,359
a birthday maybe retake a math test

1051
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,800
whatever it is

1052
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,599
but then there's also uh you know where

1053
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:57,760
you're going right you want to go back

1054
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,359
and see the pyramids or or jesus on the

1055
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,200
cross whatever it is that you want to go

1056
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,839
back and see some historical event you

1057
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,000
know what you're doing right you know

1058
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,680
where you're going the future is

1059
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,280
uncertain

1060
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,040
yeah what what are the things i wouldn't

1061
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,520
mind doing would be going back to uh

1062
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,160
egypt and see how they really did build

1063
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,240
the pyramids you know

1064
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,960
it's like how do they do that you know

1065
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,960
that's the first place i'm going i mean

1066
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,000
that's the first

1067
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,480
and see now here's the thing about going

1068
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,720
back in time

1069
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,720
you would have to know

1070
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:34,960
uh like the pyramids you would have to

1071
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,079
know like the exact year

1072
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,240
or the exact decade

1073
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,720
you can't miss it i mean what if you had

1074
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:44,960
the one opportunity right

1075
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,880
and you go back to 2650 bc which the

1076
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,480
history books tell us that when the

1077
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,319
pyramids were built right

1078
00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:54,640
and and you go and they're already there

1079
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,590
and you're like oh crap i missed it

1080
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,400
[Laughter]

1081
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,119
you got you would have to know when they

1082
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:02,960
were built or when they were building

1083
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,079
them to go back to that period in time

1084
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,240
correct yeah and then of course you've

1085
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,440
got the even more complicated situation

1086
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,680
uh which which is called the grandfather

1087
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,560
effect in other words you go back in

1088
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,720
time and whether deliberately or

1089
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:20,880
mistakenly

1090
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:25,359
you kill your grandfather's um or

1091
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,720
great grandfathers etc etc

1092
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:30,800
and of course you

1093
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,079
in the case of doing that you actually

1094
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:36,800
um end up killing yourself

1095
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:39,839
um or in the or if you look at the

1096
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,119
uh sorry even more complicated story in

1097
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:46,079
relation to the um the grandfather

1098
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,280
scenario

1099
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,319
is that um you could actually create a

1100
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,400
completely different timeline which is a

1101
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:54,960
whole different angle you know sort of

1102
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,720
multiple timelines all go along parallel

1103
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,000
against each other and there could be

1104
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:05,200
you know 25 jimmy churches not but not

1105
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,119
even knowing it you know well i okay i i

1106
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,359
i talked about this

1107
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,319
uh a couple of months ago and and i

1108
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:16,960
wrote a whole thing about it and and

1109
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,839
this is what i think i'm i'm

1110
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:22,160
anything is possible alternate timelines

1111
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,520
every time you do it you're creating

1112
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,240
another okay i i get that and that

1113
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:28,800
certainly uh would eliminate some of

1114
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,079
these complexities but i envisioned

1115
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,640
something a little bit different that if

1116
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,040
you go back in time

1117
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,040
right the grandfather paradox thing

1118
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:41,200
comes into play right okay you go back

1119
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,599
in time you are no longer in the future

1120
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:48,480
you are back in time so

1121
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,520
you could kill your grandfather

1122
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,520
it doesn't matter you've already moved

1123
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,040
back in time

1124
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,319
there there isn't a question of killing

1125
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,079
yourself no

1126
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,480
i think it would be much simpler than

1127
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,240
that you're back here you kill your

1128
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,359
grandfather so what

1129
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,680
that that's it you you wouldn't die in

1130
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:10,880
the future

1131
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,520
you're already back in the past

1132
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,880
you know so

1133
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,960
so that's actually a good point because

1134
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,599
a lot of people really kind of uh

1135
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,800
overthink

1136
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,720
a lot of this right but

1137
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,000
but if you look at it from the

1138
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,480
perspective you just said where

1139
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:27,760
you know

1140
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,520
that you cannot actually

1141
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,480
alter change you just be could become a

1142
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,559
part of chain of um

1143
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:38,720
of that of time

1144
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,160
so you know from that perspective um

1145
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:45,040
you know that's a feasible and a doable

1146
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:49,359
um theory you know the idea that um

1147
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,440
the fact that or the theory that um time

1148
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,480
cannot be changed but you can be become

1149
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,559
a part of it you know maybe

1150
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,240
somebody would go and take a picture at

1151
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,680
daley plaza where kennedy was shot and

1152
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:06,160
um you know somebody sees a photograph

1153
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,200
of you

1154
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,800
within that picture

1155
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,160
and um

1156
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,599
and but you wouldn't be able to change

1157
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,200
anything at daily plaza you would be

1158
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,119
able to save jfk

1159
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,880
because it was all you know it was

1160
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:18,160
already done

1161
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,680
um but you could in theory have become a

1162
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,280
part of it but you wouldn't have been

1163
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,680
able to change anything and whatever you

1164
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:28,000
did in that time frame and at that

1165
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:29,359
location

1166
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,800
you wouldn't be essentially unknowingly

1167
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,200
going through the same path over and

1168
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:37,920
over again yeah and and that is such a

1169
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:40,640
great point it's like making it simple

1170
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,119
stop overthinking it go back in the

1171
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,359
opposite direction make it simple and

1172
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,319
i'll i'll take it to another degree

1173
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,960
let's say you go back and you kill your

1174
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,280
grandfather right okay

1175
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,400
but

1176
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,240
you haven't killed yourself you're not

1177
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,640
back in time

1178
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,559
you're you're not part of the future

1179
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,960
anymore your body has been removed and

1180
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,960
it is back in time there is nobody in

1181
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,280
the future to kill or

1182
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,920
or live you're now in this time and

1183
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,319
space but now you go back to the future

1184
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,800
you go back to your house that you grew

1185
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,640
up in and your parents aren't living

1186
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,440
there why your parents are dead

1187
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,200
they never existed you killed your

1188
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,400
grandparents

1189
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:24,880
right but you are back in that time in

1190
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,839
space

1191
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,760
living as yourself

1192
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:28,960
so what

1193
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,520
there isn't some great paradox where the

1194
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,480
you know the time and space no i i just

1195
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:37,359
think that you're moving around no big

1196
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,160
deal

1197
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,839
you don't get to go back to the house

1198
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,680
that you grew up in somebody else or

1199
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,839
maybe that house didn't even get built

1200
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,920
right what whatever

1201
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:47,920
you know i i really

1202
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,599
i really look at it that way um uh there

1203
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:54,400
there's another piece to this though

1204
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,079
when you were daydreaming as a kid

1205
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,240
were you thinking about going back and

1206
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,640
and maybe altering your life and making

1207
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,319
your life a little bit better that you

1208
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:06,720
made some mistakes or there was a girl

1209
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:09,680
you wanted to date yeah you know how to

1210
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,800
impress her now i mean i can think of

1211
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:14,720
you know several situations like that

1212
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,079
way if only you know what uh stayed with

1213
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,800
that girl you know that kind of thing

1214
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,160
and um

1215
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,680
and then you you have to think to

1216
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,400
yourself you know if only i could go

1217
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,240
back because you know when it comes to

1218
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:31,440
time travel there are so many if only

1219
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:32,559
you know

1220
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:33,680
um

1221
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,400
and and i think again that kind of plays

1222
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:38,480
in with the sort of the classic back to

1223
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,680
the future type scenario i don't think

1224
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,400
you know you know if you were to go back

1225
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,040
and try and um you know sort of put

1226
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:48,800
things right again

1227
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,280
well i mean even that wouldn't

1228
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,319
necessarily work properly because i mean

1229
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,640
if you went back to say

1230
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,200
hypothetically 1982

1231
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,119
well everybody who you know there would

1232
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,520
be at the age of 1982

1233
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:05,760
and you would be at the age you are

1234
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,599
right now when you arrive there so um

1235
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,839
so you know that wouldn't really work

1236
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,880
you know in terms of um of trying to get

1237
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:16,559
back together with that same girl you

1238
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,520
know

1239
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:19,839
well there's a there's another piece to

1240
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,880
this um and then when we come back uh

1241
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,640
we'll we'll head in another direction

1242
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,559
there's another piece to this and i've

1243
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,160
heard a lot of physicists talk about

1244
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,319
this that you can't

1245
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:32,720
um upset

1246
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,839
the particles that are now

1247
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:38,400
in the now now in other words

1248
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,520
the bot your body right it makes up a

1249
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,400
certain amount of particles in this time

1250
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,960
and the universe is built that way and

1251
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,440
if you remove yourself

1252
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:51,920
and go back and now those particles

1253
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:54,800
you've now upset the balance of the

1254
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,079
universe and that would create some

1255
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,880
problems you can't just remove

1256
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,160
particles

1257
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,240
from one you know what i mean because

1258
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,240
all particles exist throughout the

1259
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,559
universe forever

1260
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,119
okay right you are made of stardust

1261
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:12,880
well

1262
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,319
and everything is here but if you remove

1263
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:18,319
uh uh

1264
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:21,839
particles if you remove matter and place

1265
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,240
it in another time and space now there's

1266
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,920
more matter

1267
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,520
back in time

1268
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,160
and there's less matter now

1269
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,480
and could quite possibly just blow

1270
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,319
everything up you would you know what i

1271
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,400
mean it would just we would cease to

1272
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,440
exist

1273
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,839
and that's the part that

1274
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:42,000
is unanswered in physics what would

1275
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:42,880
happen

1276
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,280
if you remove matter from one time and

1277
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,680
move it to the future or you remove

1278
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:50,400
matter and move it to the past because

1279
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,920
the scale is now out of balance

1280
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:55,760
and that's the interesting part of

1281
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,799
science where hmm

1282
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,280
you know the hg wells part about it is

1283
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,599
is fun to think about but what would

1284
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:06,079
really happen if you start moving matter

1285
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,280
around

1286
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:09,760
you know anti-matter matter starts to

1287
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:15,109
well yeah i mean those are all sort of

1288
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,400
areas you know the classic aspects of uh

1289
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,559
some of the theoretical aspects of um

1290
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:23,760
time travel and um and i think um you i

1291
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,079
mean you made us um a classic example um

1292
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,480
when you just um when you just said that

1293
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,720
in the sense that um

1294
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,200
there's so much about time travel that

1295
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,000
is theoretical and

1296
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,920
you know what if we did this what if we

1297
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,000
did that and i really don't think there

1298
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:43,520
are that many

1299
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:44,640
um

1300
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:48,000
phenomena beyond time travel that really

1301
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,960
are

1302
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:50,160
as

1303
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,760
know we're still struggling really to

1304
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,160
understand it um

1305
00:56:03,309 --> 00:56:00,720
whether it's as i said you know whether

1306
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:03,319
it's in the world of um

1307
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,119
entertainment science um

1308
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,280
just random strange events that happen

1309
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:11,119
to people um

1310
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:11,920
but

1311
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:15,520
we're still struggling to understand

1312
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,799
so many of these sort of offsprings of

1313
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,079
time travel

1314
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,839
like deja vu

1315
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:23,520
like um

1316
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,079
prophetic dreams and nightmares you know

1317
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:29,520
i mean it doesn't none of that requires

1318
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,839
you know a delorean and hit 1955

1319
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:36,160
um none of them at all

1320
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,200
um

1321
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:40,319
but we're still struggling to understand

1322
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:43,839
how and why we can dream about something

1323
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,520
um in one week and the exact thing

1324
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:50,799
um comes to fruition if you like um

1325
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,160
three weeks later i even down to you

1326
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:55,760
know minute

1327
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,160
aspects and um somewhere that is still a

1328
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:02,799
form of time travel but it's not you

1329
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,680
know the conventional scenario of time

1330
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,839
travel and that sort of ties in you know

1331
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,520
what you just said there's so many

1332
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,200
different aspects

1333
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,599
of time travel that's um

1334
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,599
that can be you know connected in all

1335
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,319
sorts of different ways it's not just

1336
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,799
you know the classic picture yeah when

1337
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,799
you listen to scientists and physicists

1338
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,280
discuss this they will always bring up

1339
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,680
the same things that uh that we talk

1340
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,319
about the grandfather paradox and

1341
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,480
and they will talk but they don't get

1342
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:35,599
into the esoteric they don't get into

1343
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:38,559
the strangeness part like

1344
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:42,160
deja vu like prophetic dreams because

1345
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,440
they don't want to get into the

1346
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,359
consciousness aspect

1347
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,599
of the universe possibly knowing

1348
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,760
something that they can't figure out so

1349
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,520
they won't go there they'll talk about

1350
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,920
back to the future all day long but they

1351
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,520
won't talk about

1352
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,839
what deja vu may or may not be let's

1353
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:59,440
take our break right here nick stay

1354
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,480
right there

1355
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,319
talking about his new book it's called

1356
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,480
time travel the science

1357
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,640
and science fiction i am your host jimmy

1358
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,200
church it's gonna be a great night

1359
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,200
tonight this is one of my favorite

1360
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,520
subjects we're gonna just pick up or

1361
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:15,119
we're leaving off right now after this

1362
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:16,480
short break

1363
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:41,589
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1364
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:43,750
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[Applause]

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[Music]

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so

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church i guess tonight the one and

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nick redfern we're talking about his new

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book time travel the science and science

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fiction

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i don't want to give away too much of

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the book uh it is uh it's thick it's

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very complete

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and during our conversation tonight

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we're gonna touch upon things that that

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have to be in the book

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and if there's an accidental giveaway

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this is just an open conversation but uh

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i do want to say this nick many years

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ago

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you don't remember you probably won't

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remember this but we did a panel

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together

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and one of my favorite pics

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is me standing in back of you you're

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talking but the the the sun

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this this

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it is just it's one of my favorite

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pictures and and uh i'll send it to you

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uh it's a great image

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um how to joshua tree oh you know what i

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think so i think i think that that was a

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long time ago too

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um but yeah i think you're right on that

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i think you're right i'm gonna have to

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go back and take a look at it um but

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it's just a great pick you've got your

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sunglasses on and

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and uh uh i i can't remember what we

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were talking about at that point but uh

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you had me oh i i remember what it was

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you were ta you said okay we need to

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stay on time travel but you said

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something that

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that that i i never forgot and you had

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said you know maybe

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maybe these flying saucers uh

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maybe they're just right here maybe

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they're on the moon

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maybe they've there's a there is a base

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in our solar system and they're just

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popping over here to say hi they're

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already in the neighborhood

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and and i was like wow that's heavy

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right

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that's well i mean that's really

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happening

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yeah i made it one sense um it makes

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sense and and the reason why i say that

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is because you know if

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you talk about aliens sort of coming to

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the earth

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um unless they've achieved something

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which allows them to sort of zip from

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one place to the next one in seconds you

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know if they haven't been able to do

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that

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then you know it would take an

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incredibly long

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time period to to do that to come here

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and so um

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from the perspective of just sort of

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common sense i would think they would

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have

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sort of staging places uh perhaps like

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on the moon on mars that kind of thing

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um that would make uh things incredibly

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easier for

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sort of like a visiting race um

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and not having to sort of um travel for

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x number of light years you know

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yeah i i think um uh

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we'll get back to time travel a second i

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think you said

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your dad gave you that idea that theory

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does that does that ring well done he's

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always uh

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coming up with things like that

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yeah i you know i i i may have it all

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wrong but um anyway so what about

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01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,400
another aspect uh to this which i

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personally have experienced

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which is what i think

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is some kind of time slip

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where

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we are now

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and you have entered into

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a previous time or maybe something in

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the future and you see it you experience

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it you know your atmosphere you know

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your town

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and things are just different at that

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moment and then they go back to normal

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that that happens there's reports about

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this all the time

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oh yeah i mean this is a classic aspect

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of time travel and um and it's

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particularly intriguing because in most

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of these cases um

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they are they sort of occur um without

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the person having any knowledge about it

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01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:53,280
until it's literally under their nose

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um

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01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:57,359
i mean the the perfect example uh would

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be um the the story from versailles

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01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,440
france um now this story goes back to

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01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:05,520
1901

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and uh excuse me and uh it's known as

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the mobilizer dane incident and involves

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um two ladies who vanished excuse me who

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um who visited uh versailles france in

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1901

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walking around it and the palace and all

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the buildings and uh

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you know the trees and the bushes and so

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on

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and then things started to change a

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little bit sort of a little bit almost

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of like you know the sound surrounding

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them

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changing and and kind of just like a

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difference in the atmosphere

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01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,520
but then also it looked like verse i

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itself had changed as well

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and

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knowing some history about it they

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01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,480
realized they were seeing versailles um

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01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,960
more than about based on the clothing

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01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:58,799
and the buildings that they were

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01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,000
actually seeing versailles maybe about a

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hundred hundred and ten years

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earlier

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now

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there was no time machine there was no

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01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:12,319
delorean there was nothing like that at

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01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:15,120
all it was just the case of them walking

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around the lawns

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and then the atmosphere gets weird and

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01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,600
then suddenly everything has changed and

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um and they were so impressed and i

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guess

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01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,040
as well as to what happened they wrote

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01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,480
a book called an adventure a true story

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01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:37,120
about time travel and um and it's a

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01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:40,480
really fascinating book and and that

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01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:43,839
that case more than any other is the the

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01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:47,520
classic example of how people can have

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01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,239
these experiences um

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01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,560
there's another one that i talk about

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01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:53,759
um

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01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:58,560
back in the civil wars in

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01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,760
england there was one particular famous

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01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,280
battle it was called the battle of

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01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:04,719
hopton heath

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01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,760
and actually took place only a few hours

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01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,679
excuse me a few years

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01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:10,560
um

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01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:15,760
basically what happened there was a man

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01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,320
i interviewed named john davis

1627
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,320
and he was a house painter and he was

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01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,280
driving home uh late one night

1629
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,239
passed um along this field of hopton

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01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:28,960
heath where this uh civil war

1631
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,400
occurred um back as i said in the civil

1632
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,080
um war which would have been around

1633
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,679
about the 15 1600s long time ago

1634
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:39,120
and um

1635
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:42,320
and he suddenly saw um

1636
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:43,360
these

1637
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,360
guys in sort of civil war outfits um

1638
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,640
swords um arrows and so on

1639
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,920
and um

1640
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,239
it wasn't sort of a long experience it

1641
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:57,360
was literally maybe a minute at the most

1642
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:58,400
um

1643
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,199
and

1644
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:01,679
he was sort of completely shocked as to

1645
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:02,880
what he'd seen

1646
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:05,679
um and because of the sheer size of it

1647
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:08,640
on the on the moor where the the battle

1648
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:11,760
occurred um he came to believe that this

1649
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,239
clearly wasn't sort of just a single

1650
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,800
spectral ghost or anything like that he

1651
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,880
felt he was actually seeing

1652
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:20,960
the the playing

1653
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,239
over and over again of this battle be

1654
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:27,440
being played and uh he was sure in his

1655
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,800
mind john he was sure that he'd had a a

1656
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,120
glimpse at time because there'd been

1657
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:35,360
some sort of weird glitch but those are

1658
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,440
two classic examples um the hopton heath

1659
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:41,360
battling the civil war and the

1660
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,120
versailles um experience back in 1901

1661
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,080
have you experienced yourself some sort

1662
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:51,120
of time slip not deja vu but something

1663
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:52,239
like

1664
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:53,120
uh

1665
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,000
that you know the versailles story which

1666
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:58,719
uh i've read over and over again it's uh

1667
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,520
it's an incredible encounter and the way

1668
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:03,440
that they describe the party that the

1669
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,640
two of them

1670
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,960
uh experienced and walked up on where

1671
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,120
they were able to see and hear the music

1672
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:11,760
and and see the clothes and they knew

1673
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:14,640
right that this was not where they were

1674
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,679
in 1901 have you experienced something

1675
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:19,920
like that yourself

1676
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:22,800
well i've only ever had one experience

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01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,239
and it's nothing particularly uh amazing

1678
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,880
but it's one of the reasons why i got

1679
01:12:36,590 --> 01:12:29,920
into

1680
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:36,600
and it was i think it was round about

1681
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,400
1995 96 and i had a dream

1682
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:42,800
and there was nothing special about it

1683
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:46,800
um and i was at a book um

1684
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,640
bear in mind this is before that i was

1685
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,560
writing books my first book didn't come

1686
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,440
out till 1997.

1687
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:55,440
and this would have been about two years

1688
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:56,480
before

1689
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:59,440
and i had a dream that i was like at a

1690
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:02,239
party for somebody who just had a book

1691
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,199
launch

1692
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:04,800
and um

1693
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,760
and then sort of two years later because

1694
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:10,320
i just had a book come out i was invited

1695
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,679
to um another author's party

1696
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:15,120
and

1697
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:19,600
i i can tell you with 100 certainty uh

1698
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:22,719
jimmy that there were certain aspects of

1699
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,800
that um dream back in 95 that were

1700
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,880
identical to

1701
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:31,679
what actually did happen at this party

1702
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,440
uh in 1997 i can even remember the the

1703
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:38,320
weird colors of the uh of the curtains

1704
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,000
on the walls and all sorts of different

1705
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:42,719
things and there's no doubt in my mind

1706
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,800
at all that for very briefly i saw

1707
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:48,159
um

1708
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:49,679
the the room

1709
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:50,960
um

1710
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,679
talking to the people and then two years

1711
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,080
later at the party

1712
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:58,400
hang on a minute this is all playing out

1713
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:01,280
like that weird dream and so did you

1714
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,280
start did you stop and enjoy the moment

1715
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,760
well i did but it was kind of just it

1716
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:09,760
was sort of i won't say creepy but it

1717
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,480
was sort of just um

1718
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,719
it was just sort of mind-boggling more

1719
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,800
than anything else um

1720
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,840
you know the

1721
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,600
it's kind of this the sort of thing you

1722
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,000
expect to see in sort of a tv show you

1723
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:24,719
don't expect to to happen to yourself

1724
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:29,199
you know um but that would i would apply

1725
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:32,400
that to the phenomenon of time travel

1726
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:36,080
but it's not the you know sort of the

1727
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:37,920
the

1728
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:44,159
that you would uh you go along with but

1729
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,040
um but in some way it clearly was i mean

1730
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,880
this was two years earlier so you have

1731
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:50,560
to think to yourself

1732
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,920
how is it possible to

1733
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:55,120
envision

1734
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,640
you know this very graphic situation

1735
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,920
um

1736
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:02,159
and yet it doesn't actually happen for

1737
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:05,440
another two years there's got to be some

1738
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,000
kind of glitch um

1739
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,600
you know in time somewhere and somehow

1740
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:14,400
now how that can happen i admitted for

1741
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:17,600
you know i admit i don't know it works

1742
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,920
but for some reason it does you know

1743
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:21,840
yeah that's the only thing it's just one

1744
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:22,640
thing

1745
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,600
and but it was enough certainly to

1746
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,679
enough to make me think you know i'll

1747
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:29,679
look further into this

1748
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:32,080
one of the things that uh i find

1749
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,280
interesting

1750
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,760
uh and i went back historically this is

1751
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:36,800
uh

1752
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:39,120
two three weeks ago and i i pulled up

1753
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,040
some things that i remembered

1754
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,920
uh over the years things that broke into

1755
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:45,360
the media

1756
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,600
um about you know different time

1757
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,480
travelers and and a few things happen

1758
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:53,280
and this is what was strange to me

1759
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,800
that nearly all of the famous time

1760
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:59,120
travelers that have popped up that have

1761
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:00,640
become part of

1762
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:04,000
a you know uh a folklore if you will or

1763
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:05,199
uh

1764
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,880
a mythology

1765
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,360
they all have disappeared

1766
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,600
right you haven't heard from those time

1767
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,199
travelers again

1768
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,199
and that's the part where you know you

1769
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:17,040
just kind of got to step back a minute

1770
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:17,920
and go

1771
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:21,360
something is there something to this

1772
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:22,320
or

1773
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:26,800
right that

1774
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:27,600
but

1775
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,640
time travelers disappear all the time

1776
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,640
well that's a good point i mean one

1777
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,000
classic example would be um a guy using

1778
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,120
the name john tyder um which is spelled

1779
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:41,360
t-i-t-o-r

1780
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:44,480
and john titer um popped up on the

1781
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:48,320
internet in the early 20th uh 20 uh what

1782
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:52,400
was it around about 2000 1999 uh yeah

1783
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,360
there you go did you um uh let's talk

1784
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,199
about john teeter for a second you say

1785
01:17:05,030 --> 01:16:59,040
tighter i say teeter

1786
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,040
um is is uh i was i was immersed in that

1787
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,800
when it was going down

1788
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,560
okay i was right in the middle of it i

1789
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:10,560
was on the forums i was on the message

1790
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,600
boards

1791
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:13,840
i was reading the updates as they were

1792
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,000
coming in you know some were spaced

1793
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,159
apart i was looking at the photographs i

1794
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,480
was there in real time were you

1795
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:22,560
following the story when it broke uh

1796
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:26,560
back on coast to coast 1999

1797
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:28,640
oh yeah i i followed that very very

1798
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:31,600
closely because mainly you know there

1799
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,480
was a lot of things that he said um

1800
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,880
in the sort of um

1801
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:38,159
you know the different things he was

1802
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,280
saying about you know the future in 2030

1803
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:44,000
to 35 things like that and he talked

1804
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:47,600
about things like um a civil war things

1805
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:50,239
like that but i guess the big glaring

1806
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:51,040
thing

1807
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,000
um

1808
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,640
there was never any mention of like 911

1809
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:56,320
or anything like that

1810
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:57,199
now

1811
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:01,120
he's sort of um devotees if you like

1812
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:04,560
suggested that uh the reason why he

1813
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,159
hadn't picked up on that was because um

1814
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:11,280
his timeline was not our timeline it was

1815
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,000
slightly different you know that um but

1816
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:16,719
in that um

1817
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:19,520
particular timeline um you know

1818
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:22,000
something did not happen and yet it did

1819
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:25,600
in the um in the title one it did um

1820
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:26,480
however

1821
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:30,000
if you read um you know all the papers

1822
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,760
and documents that he put out online um

1823
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:36,480
you know this was not a crazy

1824
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:39,440
sensational guy the you know the the

1825
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:42,400
writing and the stories were actually

1826
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:45,520
extremely sort of um you know

1827
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:49,440
uh filled with um concepts and ideas and

1828
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,840
um and i think you know people often ask

1829
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:53,679
me about this and i think

1830
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,679
personally there can really only be

1831
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,840
three scenarios one

1832
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,440
is that it's true

1833
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:01,440
uh the other one

1834
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:04,960
is that isn't true it's a hoax or the

1835
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:06,960
possibility of some kind of like a

1836
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:10,800
social experiment um to try and see you

1837
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,360
know in some cases perhaps how people's

1838
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:14,960
minds could be

1839
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,480
molded um or you know if people can be

1840
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,159
influenced to

1841
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:22,239
um you know sort of look at the idea of

1842
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,719
the future and perhaps we ought to

1843
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,440
um you know slow things down and make

1844
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:29,600
sure that the future is going to be okay

1845
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:32,320
in other words certainly putting out

1846
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,440
something

1847
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:35,280
telling us to hey you know let's put

1848
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:37,120
things right but doing it under the

1849
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,080
guise

1850
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,400
of a fictional um

1851
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,480
time traveler so that the stuff

1852
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:44,960
regardless of what you think of of these

1853
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:47,679
stories there's no doubt that the

1854
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,000
phenomenon and i don't you know i don't

1855
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:52,239
sort of exaggerate you know say a

1856
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:55,360
phenomenon he really was um you know but

1857
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:58,320
but i think um you know it's a situation

1858
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:59,600
where

1859
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,000
the story really could go in any

1860
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:05,360
direction i guess well and

1861
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,280
he disappeared

1862
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:09,679
and that's you know and and and let me

1863
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:10,960
tell you

1864
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,639
uh i've had everybody that was involved

1865
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:16,480
directly with john teeter on this

1866
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:19,120
program okay and in some cases multiple

1867
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:20,080
times

1868
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,120
but

1869
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,480
this is this is my take well i've got a

1870
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:27,199
thousand takes on john teeter but

1871
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,600
um is this and then i'm going to talk

1872
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:31,280
about a technical aspect that he

1873
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,320
presented uh that i found fascinating

1874
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,560
but it is this

1875
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:38,320
nobody

1876
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,440
has been busted

1877
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:43,600
nobody in the hoax so that would be

1878
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:47,120
right yeah all of the manuals the model

1879
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:50,320
the time machine itself the graphics

1880
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,080
of all of that nobody's been but no no

1881
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,400
if it was created in somebody's garage

1882
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:58,800
in burbank california

1883
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,920
nobody got ratted out no pissed off

1884
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:03,280
girlfriend

1885
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:05,040
you know what i mean nobody nobody came

1886
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,880
forward and said okay because there

1887
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,040
would have had to have been if it was a

1888
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,120
hoax nick

1889
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,280
multiple people involved you would have

1890
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:15,600
to have scientists computer guys

1891
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:18,719
technical writers graphic artists uh an

1892
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,960
internet genius or two

1893
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,199
especially for 1999 that's got to come

1894
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,440
into play there would have been a host

1895
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,280
of people it wouldn't have been one

1896
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,199
person doing this

1897
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,080
to create those stickers and and and

1898
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,400
graphics on the time machine

1899
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,080
you've got to create the graphics you've

1900
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:38,159
got to go to an art studio you have to

1901
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:39,760
have stickers made you have to have the

1902
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,880
type setting done this was in 1999 not

1903
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,199
in 2021 where all of this stuff is

1904
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:47,840
simple and you order it off of amazon it

1905
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,560
was a different world back then

1906
01:21:53,870 --> 01:21:52,239
and

1907
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:53,880
nobody got busted

1908
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:00,000
and that i find interesting the story

1909
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,229
hey you're right it did and um i mean if

1910
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,880
you look at say from where we are now

1911
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:11,520
you know 20 21 you know coming up to

1912
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,880
2022

1913
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:14,639
um and

1914
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,080
you know if you go back to say the 1980s

1915
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:21,120
1970s it would actually be quite easy to

1916
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:22,960
sort of just vanish you know into the

1917
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:26,400
crowd and just take on a new identity

1918
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:29,600
and so on it's much difficult today you

1919
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:32,560
know not to leave a pattern behind you

1920
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:33,679
you know

1921
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,480
lying behind you and um and

1922
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:42,800
to actually vanish

1923
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,920
and not be successfully found ever

1924
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:47,440
in this era

1925
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:50,080
really is difficult to achieve that you

1926
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,199
know i mean you need money for food uh

1927
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,960
you put your credit card in before you

1928
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,800
know it they've got you you know that

1929
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:58,960
that's but it never happened it never

1930
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:01,920
did happen now there was one um and

1931
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,239
we'll talk about this more after the

1932
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,639
break um and all of his technical

1933
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,920
writing

1934
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:09,120
uh

1935
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,639
and you know

1936
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:12,400
even the computer system and the

1937
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,000
language too as well that has to be well

1938
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:18,400
researched and thought out because it's

1939
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,360
got to make sense but putting that aside

1940
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,199
he said one thing

1941
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,520
he said uh

1942
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:28,800
he brought up gravity clock

1943
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:29,760
now

1944
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,080
what when you talk about uh hg wells you

1945
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,920
know the time machine you sit down you

1946
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,080
you flip the lever

1947
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,639
to a year flip the next one to a month

1948
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:45,679
and then a day and then poof off you go

1949
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,800
the aspect of how the time machine knows

1950
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:53,040
where the earth is

1951
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:54,480
right because the earth is going around

1952
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:57,280
the sun the earth is also rotating

1953
01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:00,560
how do you not just end up in deep space

1954
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,520
right

1955
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,880
floating

1956
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,520
there's that or how do you uh not end up

1957
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,840
in the middle of the ocean

1958
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,719
what

1959
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:10,719
uh and drown right

1960
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:13,520
what john teeter said

1961
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,239
is that he had the technology the

1962
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:18,480
breakthrough was a gravity clock

1963
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:19,280
so

1964
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:23,040
where you are in that point in space on

1965
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,480
earth has a very specific

1966
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,920
weight

1967
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,360
gravity

1968
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:30,960
whatever it is because if you take a

1969
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:32,639
step to the left to step to the right

1970
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,280
you've now changed that

1971
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:37,840
and that's how you overcome so you know

1972
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:40,320
exactly where you are

1973
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:42,719
in the at that that point that weight

1974
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,520
that gravity clock that's never that it

1975
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:48,159
was never nick talked about in any

1976
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:51,040
science fiction and any physicist any

1977
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:51,920
sign

1978
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,639
nobody ever brought that up before

1979
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:57,280
and to have it like that in john

1980
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,880
teeter's writings

1981
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:01,120
said to me

1982
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:02,800
that he was real

1983
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:05,600
and i was okay with that that gravity

1984
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,639
clock aspect of his story

1985
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,719
was something that was never mentioned

1986
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,560
before by any

1987
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,960
any brainiac

1988
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,400
well yeah you're right there's another

1989
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:18,080
angle as well that a lot of people

1990
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:20,880
forget about is it kind of parallels him

1991
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,639
when we're talking about rock bands

1992
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,199
earlier you know most rock bands don't

1993
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:28,000
want to stop because they like all the

1994
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,320
adoration from the fans and you know the

1995
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,800
adrenaline on stage and everything

1996
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:35,600
um and so they keep going and they keep

1997
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,719
going until they become ridiculous and

1998
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:40,560
they can't you know they can't sing

1999
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:43,840
anymore and so on and so on um and that

2000
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:47,120
never happened um with john titor either

2001
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,239
he didn't sort of keep you know sort of

2002
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:52,800
going on and on and on getting wanting

2003
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:55,520
more and more publicity and so on he

2004
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,239
quit he you know it was kind of like you

2005
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,159
know your favorite band stopping at the

2006
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:02,400
age of 30 rather than

2007
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:06,639
going on to 65 or whatever and um

2008
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:07,600
and

2009
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:09,280
you know you can you can make that

2010
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:12,719
analogy with with him you know the idea

2011
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,120
that you would expect him to

2012
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,520
want all this adoration and you know

2013
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,400
people talking about him but again

2014
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,120
you know it was gone it was stopped and

2015
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,440
uh and that itself as well is is an

2016
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,239
interesting and and

2017
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,239
alternative if you like alternative

2018
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,199
fashion as well really yeah and uh

2019
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,040
we got to take a break right here but

2020
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:37,600
this is the other thing

2021
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:39,760
his name

2022
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,400
there there are no teeters in the phone

2023
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,239
book right

2024
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:47,360
that that if you are clever enough to

2025
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,320
think about the science of time travel

2026
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,480
uh the history of computers and

2027
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,719
languages and glitches in the matrix and

2028
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:56,639
what has to get fixed in the future and

2029
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,000
why and

2030
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,320
very complex story

2031
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:02,880
and then you even throw in the wrench

2032
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:03,760
right

2033
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:05,840
how about a name that's never been used

2034
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:08,560
in the history of the world

2035
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:10,800
[Laughter]

2036
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:14,320
that was just incredible to me i mean

2037
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:23,030
and there was nothing there

2038
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:24,790
you're right i mean that was a crazy

2039
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:27,280
time um like you said you know i mean

2040
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,560
there were radio shows there was um

2041
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,360
you know people was putting up um blogs

2042
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,159
and things and talking about it and you

2043
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,880
name it you know um he was in the news

2044
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:40,080
and um

2045
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:43,520
and and that i get another reason um you

2046
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:46,639
know to realize that the alternative

2047
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:49,600
aspect of this story because he was gone

2048
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:52,480
you know he was done with it and um

2049
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,440
and it must surely have taken a lot to

2050
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:58,000
have walked away from all that

2051
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,440
after that several years of um

2052
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:03,920
of coverage you know and so on yeah he

2053
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:06,239
was a rock star you're absolutely right

2054
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:07,280
about that

2055
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:10,400
and uh if you go i've got to take a

2056
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,920
break right here but if you go back

2057
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,760
somebody start posting some pictures

2058
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:15,520
i've got files on my computer i could

2059
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:18,560
post but somebody post a picture if you

2060
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:21,520
can in the chat room or in twitter

2061
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:23,920
of his time machine

2062
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:26,320
and and look at that i mean

2063
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:29,440
there is uh there's a part to me that

2064
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,400
says

2065
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:33,120
the model builder the the person that

2066
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:35,040
designed that and built that

2067
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:37,840
um never got that if you know it's not

2068
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:40,159
it hasn't been revealed in somebody's

2069
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,239
garage it hasn't shown up in a garage

2070
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:44,560
sale but it's also never really been

2071
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,840
debunked

2072
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:46,800
about

2073
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:49,040
what that time machine is and how it is

2074
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,000
represented and how he used it in a car

2075
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:54,080
and he had to have something with heavy

2076
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:55,120
uh

2077
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:58,320
what did he say a heavy suspension

2078
01:29:04,070 --> 01:28:59,600
so

2079
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:04,080
very interesting this is fade to black

2080
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:06,159
our guest tonight nick redfearn we're

2081
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,000
talking about his new book it's called

2082
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:10,639
time travel the science and science

2083
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:12,159
fiction i'm your host jimmy church we'll

2084
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,709
[Music]

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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fade to black

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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they usually occur with little warning

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that's why the smartest thing you can do

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01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:42,950
hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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revolution is on radio

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[Music]

2179
01:34:39,910 --> 01:34:37,510
welcome back fade to black

2180
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:39,920
my favorite subject

2181
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:42,800
tonight it's time travel

2182
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:45,199
nick redfearn he's got his new book out

2183
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:47,119
and it is called time travel the science

2184
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,119
and science fiction

2185
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:51,199
and uh you can pick up your own copies

2186
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:53,840
i've got the links up everywhere to go

2187
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:56,320
and get it and i love that uh all of you

2188
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:57,920
fader knots are posting covers of the

2189
01:35:03,430 --> 01:34:58,880
book

2190
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:03,440
read and he okay now

2191
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:05,679
uh nick this is more in your wheelhouse

2192
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:07,760
but i'm gonna bring up something that

2193
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,080
uh so i thought you were gonna go there

2194
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:12,159
in the book uh you didn't quite but this

2195
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:13,440
is where i'm gonna pick your mind a

2196
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:14,400
little bit

2197
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:16,080
i think that there are some time

2198
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,360
travelers

2199
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:19,520
that were right in front of us i'll

2200
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:20,639
bring up

2201
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:24,880
jimi hendrix

2202
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:27,280
time traveler time traveler from the

2203
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:28,480
future

2204
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:31,280
i i've what

2205
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:34,320
it just changed came out of nowhere

2206
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,960
right and absolutely had his own thing

2207
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:38,719
and that's number one i want your

2208
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:40,880
thoughts on that number two

2209
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:43,760
david bowie i think david bowie man was

2210
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,590
you know and and and if you think about

2211
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:54,320
it these game-changing so many

2212
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:57,280
different personalities came out

2213
01:36:02,070 --> 01:35:59,840
and absolutely changed the game there's

2214
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:02,080
the world before them and the world

2215
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:03,280
after them

2216
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:05,440
where they just changed things

2217
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,719
and i i don't think i'm far off in in

2218
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,639
thinking like this what do you think

2219
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,600
jimi hendrix time traveler

2220
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:16,159
well i mean if anyone could be a time

2221
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:18,080
traveler i think davey bowie could have

2222
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,679
been you

2223
01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:21,679
i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not being

2224
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:25,119
facetious here man no i know

2225
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:26,960
he does have that kind of he did have

2226
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,520
that sort of ore of you know being

2227
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:31,520
slightly different and and he was

2228
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:34,560
heavily into ufos and things like that

2229
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,440
yeah and and there's another there's

2230
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:39,600
another twist to this

2231
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:42,800
and that is this modern thing that is

2232
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:45,679
happening it's called the mandela effect

2233
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,080
and and i know something that uh you've

2234
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,320
thought about a lot but if we bring in

2235
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:53,119
the mandela effect um

2236
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,400
and is it directly involving time travel

2237
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:58,320
i would say that there's something

2238
01:37:01,990 --> 01:37:00,880
mysteriously going on

2239
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,000
where

2240
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,159
the possibility of somebody from the

2241
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:06,400
future coming back to the past and

2242
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:08,159
altering things

2243
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:11,360
so it appears different as in our

2244
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:13,600
timeline but it doesn't affect our

2245
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:14,560
memory

2246
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:17,199
and we remember things differently from

2247
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:19,440
the past than

2248
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:21,679
what the historical record is telling us

2249
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:24,080
today do you think the mandela effect is

2250
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:26,800
time travelers from the future

2251
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:28,719
well that's one of the more sort of

2252
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:31,199
intriguing aspects of the um you know

2253
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:34,159
the present day and i think the one

2254
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,840
thing that really stands out for me is

2255
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:37,840
the one you just mentioned

2256
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:41,360
namely that um although you know

2257
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:44,560
potentially there could be um

2258
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:47,520
sort of um changing the future and

2259
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,880
changing the past um but we remember it

2260
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:52,880
that's sort of like a really bizarre

2261
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:55,760
aspect to it and um

2262
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:57,679
i mean there are so many examples of

2263
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,719
that you know where a significant number

2264
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:02,960
number of people um

2265
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:05,600
were sure that they'd seen you know

2266
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,520
a specific um famous actor had died that

2267
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:11,280
kind of situation

2268
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,080
and

2269
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:14,480
they don't you know they were all sure

2270
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:16,400
they'd seen this story or heard the

2271
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,880
story and it never happened and you

2272
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:21,280
can't find any of the information about

2273
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:24,880
it on the internet or on tv or anywhere

2274
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:27,760
and um and i guess that kind of defines

2275
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,480
you know the whole scenario but um

2276
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,639
there's no doubt that you know in sort

2277
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,960
of latter day times that's become sort

2278
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:36,000
of the key

2279
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:37,840
issue i think more than anything else

2280
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,679
when it comes to time travel have you

2281
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:41,920
had your own mandela effect where you

2282
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:44,400
were just like wait a minute

2283
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,280
i

2284
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,119
remember

2285
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:48,639
you haven't

2286
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:52,560
well i haven't not personally um but um

2287
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:56,000
the one that fascinates me most of all

2288
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:58,880
is the story of the thunderbird

2289
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:01,119
photograph and if you know that story i

2290
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:05,280
do but yes yeah well back in the uh

2291
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:06,800
1960s

2292
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:10,480
a photograph was found um and it showed

2293
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,920
what looked like um like a pterodactyl

2294
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:16,080
of all things um

2295
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:19,440
but um nailed to an old board

2296
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:23,520
in um in a farm uh going back to about

2297
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:26,159
probably about a hundred years ago and

2298
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,199
um

2299
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:29,679
and the people who saw this photograph

2300
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,080
were fascinated by my god you know this

2301
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:34,320
is a pterodactyl and it was and it was

2302
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:36,400
photographed you know sort of like the

2303
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,119
early 1900s that kind of scenario and

2304
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:43,679
the story started to be talked about in

2305
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:47,199
the 1960s and um

2306
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,719
numerous people came forward um talking

2307
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,040
about how they'd seen this people in the

2308
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:55,440
sort of paranormal research

2309
01:40:02,229 --> 01:39:59,199
arenas and started looking to this story

2310
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:02,239
and was sure they'd seen the photograph

2311
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,119
and they'd either seen it in a magazine

2312
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:07,679
or journals or newspapers but they

2313
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,159
couldn't find it and the more and more

2314
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:12,239
people who went to try and find this

2315
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:15,040
thunderbird photograph as it was known

2316
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:16,159
um

2317
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,400
no one could find it and even to this

2318
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:20,719
day people have said they they were sure

2319
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:23,760
they saw it in some of these um

2320
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,159
early paranormal magazines like fake

2321
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,560
magazine and things like that but it's

2322
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:31,280
the picture has never been found but

2323
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:34,800
dozens if not more people are absolutely

2324
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,760
100 percent sure so that they saw the

2325
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:39,119
photograph

2326
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,520
and and i remember it again so you know

2327
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:44,080
that's sort of like an earlier classical

2328
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:46,960
um example you know what we've said that

2329
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:49,040
um this the

2330
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,480
changing time

2331
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:52,960
doesn't necessarily take away the

2332
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:56,239
memories which is a fascinating scenario

2333
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,280
i had uh i brought this up before on the

2334
01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:01,040
show i'm looking at the thunderbird

2335
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:02,840
photograph and i have seen this

2336
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:06,320
photograph like my entire life

2337
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:09,360
okay i'm 58 i don't know the first time

2338
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,119
that i saw it but i've been looking at

2339
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:13,840
this photograph for a long time for sure

2340
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:17,920
um but when i was a kid in chicago

2341
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,040
i

2342
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,000
had a pamphlet

2343
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:24,159
i've talked about this on the show

2344
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:27,440
of the field museum

2345
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:30,560
in chicago which is the

2346
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:32,159
they have the museum of science and

2347
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:34,239
industry then they have the field museum

2348
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:36,800
which is a traditional museum you know

2349
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:40,000
dinosaurs and and and what what have you

2350
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:41,360
and um

2351
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:42,719
and on the

2352
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:46,239
on the cover of this pamphlet

2353
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:47,280
or book

2354
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:48,239
was

2355
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,080
a picture

2356
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,000
of a giant

2357
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,560
on display and they talk about it it's

2358
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,400
like this 10-foot

2359
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,560
giant human skeleton

2360
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:01,440
at the field museum i saw it when i was

2361
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:05,199
a kid and i went to the field museum and

2362
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,000
and i asked about the they're no it's

2363
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:12,480
we we don't have that here now this is

2364
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:16,000
what i've done since then as an adult

2365
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:19,280
i have tried to find any reference of

2366
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:22,480
this giant skeleton at the field museum

2367
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:25,520
in chicago doesn't exist

2368
01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:27,760
and i'm sitting here thinking wait a

2369
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:28,880
minute

2370
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:32,239
i i spent months as a kid i was like 10

2371
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:33,440
years old

2372
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:35,199
looking into this

2373
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,520
and i remember all of it and it's like

2374
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:38,960
it never happened

2375
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:40,719
i don't i don't know what to do with it

2376
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,320
it's like how did i how did i

2377
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:46,639
how did i get it so wrong

2378
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:48,000
or did i

2379
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:54,229
well now that that's a good question

2380
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:58,159
but uh but again it demonstrates that um

2381
01:43:03,030 --> 01:42:59,760
to some degree

2382
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:03,040
again time was altered and and it was

2383
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:07,199
altered in a very weird way and um

2384
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:08,639
you know and that's that's one of the

2385
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,400
things that fascinates me about this

2386
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,360
whole phenomenon it's not just one thing

2387
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:16,480
you know it's not it's abc i mean it

2388
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:20,239
just reels off into so many different uh

2389
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,280
types of phenomena and um but you know

2390
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,360
what we're looking at now you know just

2391
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:30,400
this angle of well hang on a minute you

2392
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,040
know i remember that but i can't find it

2393
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:34,880
you know that's that scenario if you

2394
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:37,520
like is sort of top of the list right

2395
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:38,480
now

2396
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:42,639
that when we

2397
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:45,760
look at uh h.g wells on the time machine

2398
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,360
that was written

2399
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:50,639
125 years ago

2400
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:53,679
that book still stands the test of time

2401
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:54,480
and

2402
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:57,840
but there is a glaring flaw in in the

2403
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:58,800
film

2404
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:01,920
uh in in the book which is how did the

2405
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:03,760
time machine work

2406
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,719
but

2407
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:06,480
nobody cared

2408
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:13,119
and

2409
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:17,920
that book was written 200 125 years ago

2410
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,719
with a complete vision of the future h.g

2411
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:22,480
wells did it over and over again for

2412
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:23,600
sure

2413
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:26,880
but that book was complete it wasn't a

2414
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,600
yankee in king arthur's court is another

2415
01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:31,520
book about time travel

2416
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,159
um that really show that people were

2417
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:35,679
thinking about it

2418
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:39,440
back then and everybody has fantasized

2419
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:40,880
and dreamed about

2420
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:43,600
time travel and h.g wells wrote the

2421
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:46,320
complete book with all the flaws nobody

2422
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:47,280
cares

2423
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:50,800
right why do you think that is

2424
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:53,119
well i think more than anything else you

2425
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,719
know it's um

2426
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,320
to a degree i think it can just be

2427
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:57,679
explained by

2428
01:45:01,109 --> 01:45:00,239
the fact that we ourselves you know

2429
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:01,119
haven't

2430
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,440
uh built time machines so it's a little

2431
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:06,000
bit difficult for us to try and visit

2432
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:08,960
how it should be poor trade you know but

2433
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:11,520
um but it's that's a good point uh

2434
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:14,880
bringing up about you know the actual

2435
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:17,920
making and using of a of a time machine

2436
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:20,719
because if you look online about time

2437
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:23,840
travel you'll see a lot about wormholes

2438
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:25,360
black holes

2439
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:27,600
things like this deja vu and so on and

2440
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:30,880
so on but you won't see many people

2441
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:34,400
online who are sort of actively putting

2442
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:37,679
data online about um

2443
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,800
you know how to construct and use a time

2444
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,880
machine and um

2445
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:45,119
you know and that demonstrates that

2446
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:47,600
really we are still sort of uh in the

2447
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:50,159
dark when it comes to trying to

2448
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:51,440
understand

2449
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:54,400
uh how the machine itself you know might

2450
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,480
actually work and um

2451
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:59,119
and nobody nobody really has an answer

2452
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:00,400
for that

2453
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:03,440
well we just had uh

2454
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,520
i'm looking up the article now i'm going

2455
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:08,080
to find it it was last week uh within

2456
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:09,440
the week

2457
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:12,960
a press release about time travel now

2458
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:15,920
both backwards and forwards in time

2459
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:19,440
um has been shown in the lab at the

2460
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:21,440
quantum level

2461
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:24,320
and now if it's possible at the quantum

2462
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,679
level

2463
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:26,880
then

2464
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,639
it would be possible anywhere if

2465
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:30,719
particles can move forward and back in

2466
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,750
well again yeah but i mean but that's

2467
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,159
sort of to a degree comes down to what i

2468
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:40,719
you know i sort of mentioned the idea of

2469
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:41,840
you know

2470
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,000
it going to be a situation that um we'll

2471
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:52,080
get it figured out when we get there

2472
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:53,280
kind of thing

2473
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:56,400
um you know i mean no disrespect to

2474
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:58,719
people who you know say things like that

2475
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:01,119
but you know i think we need to sort of

2476
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:04,800
be aware of you know what is theoretical

2477
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:08,880
or potentially theoretical and what is

2478
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:11,840
you know definitive technology that we

2479
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:14,320
can you know say for sure

2480
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:15,440
um

2481
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:19,600
i'll be the first the happiest you know

2482
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:20,960
to see

2483
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,440
a real time machine you know if one was

2484
01:47:28,390 --> 01:47:26,320
ever found and we understood how to use

2485
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,400
it but then again i mean we'd probably

2486
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:30,880
screw things up knowing us

2487
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:33,920
now in your research i'm curious has

2488
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:35,440
there been

2489
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:36,639
one

2490
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:39,280
specific type of time traveler that is

2491
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,040
seen over and over again throughout

2492
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:43,520
history

2493
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,600
time traveler did you say yeah time

2494
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:47,600
traveler a person

2495
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:48,960
no yeah

2496
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:51,440
um well actually yeah i've got a section

2497
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,239
in that in the book um about the men in

2498
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:56,080
black um

2499
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:58,639
and not the the sort of uh will smith

2500
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:01,760
tommy lee jones ones but the um the many

2501
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,320
the real men in black who the hollywood

2502
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,960
versions were based upon you know the

2503
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:08,960
the term men in black me a lot of people

2504
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:11,280
may not know this but the term men in

2505
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:13,840
black actually goes back to the 1950s

2506
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:16,560
that's when the the men in black were

2507
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:20,320
first seen and back then they wore these

2508
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:21,280
um

2509
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,880
skinny ties

2510
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:28,880
and um and

2511
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:31,280
in the real world they still dress like

2512
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:35,199
that and um they haven't changed at all

2513
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:37,520
and some people because of that they're

2514
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:41,760
sort of tied in this 1940s

2515
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:44,880
costume era some people have suggested

2516
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:47,040
that the the men in black

2517
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:50,000
um maybe time travelers possibly

2518
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:52,960
something like historians even and they

2519
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:56,080
pop up in the same outfits the suits and

2520
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:59,119
the old style fedora hats and they

2521
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:00,639
follow us around

2522
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:04,320
um possibly as i said as historians and

2523
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:08,480
they pop up when specific um events

2524
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:09,600
occur

2525
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:10,560
um

2526
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:15,520
and it said it's a fascinating scenario

2527
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:17,920
you know the idea that the the men in

2528
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:19,599
black may not be

2529
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:22,400
running around you know threatening us

2530
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:26,000
in relation to ufos for any particular

2531
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:28,320
dangerous reason but they may be

2532
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,280
fascinated you know as to

2533
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:33,840
what we do in the 21st century because

2534
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:36,480
they're coming back from saying the 26th

2535
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,599
century that kind of thing but you know

2536
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:41,360
even in the real world people have

2537
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:45,440
described them as driving like 1940s

2538
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:48,960
1950s cars and as i said the same old

2539
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,679
suits everything about them is quite

2540
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:53,679
literally out of time

2541
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:54,719
and

2542
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:01,360
this sort of angle of the black suits

2543
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:04,239
and the fedoras and intervening and

2544
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:07,520
appearing when certain events occur

2545
01:50:11,589 --> 01:50:09,199
that's sort of like

2546
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:11,599
an aspect to the men in black mystery

2547
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:13,920
that a lot of people haven't really

2548
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,000
probably appreciated

2549
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,239
what about uh sort of on the same

2550
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:19,840
subject actually

2551
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:22,639
stephen hawking uh saying okay well if

2552
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,199
time travel is possible then then then

2553
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:27,760
where are they at right and he said he

2554
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:30,000
sent out what was it an invitation to

2555
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,520
his birthday party

2556
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,360
and and said you know if you're a time

2557
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:35,040
traveler from the future you know come

2558
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,719
come and hang out at my birthday party

2559
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,400
and nobody showed up

2560
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:40,639
um i think it's an interesting point but

2561
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:42,560
i think it's flawed

2562
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:45,040
if time travel is possible where are

2563
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:47,599
they why aren't we seeing uh visitors

2564
01:50:50,830 --> 01:50:49,760
vacationers right

2565
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:50,840
from the

2566
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:53,920
future well i mean if they're really

2567
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:57,440
astute um you know they possibly

2568
01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:00,080
wouldn't be noticed you know i mean i

2569
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:01,840
think that's one of the most important

2570
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,520
things that um

2571
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:05,520
a time traveler would look out for

2572
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:06,480
namely

2573
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:10,880
to not be found and uh and have a you

2574
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:14,159
know the sort of uh the ability to

2575
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,119
to hide um to mingle among us and um i

2576
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,080
mean evening with today's world um you

2577
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,239
think say again sort of going back 20

2578
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:26,239
years to now most people know when

2579
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:27,679
they're walking around they've got their

2580
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,320
head in their phone so you know what are

2581
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:32,880
the chances of seeing you know an odd

2582
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:37,199
person just now and again you know um

2583
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,040
when you know you're texting your

2584
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:41,599
next-door neighbor or whatever

2585
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:46,480
how would you if if you went back uh

2586
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:49,040
let's go to the crucifixion right and

2587
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:51,040
nick redford wants to go and check that

2588
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:51,920
out

2589
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:54,639
how would you prepare for that

2590
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,840
you know you've got to dress

2591
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:58,080
appropriately you can't get discovered

2592
01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:59,920
you can't show up you know wearing a

2593
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:00,840
fubu

2594
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:04,800
sweatshirt right you can't wear your dri

2595
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:07,199
concert shirt

2596
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:08,800
i could

2597
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,440
right right right you would get found

2598
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:13,840
out so how would you prepare for that

2599
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,719
and what language is too i mean

2600
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:19,040
what are you going to be a a mute you

2601
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:21,599
can't speak at all how would you prepare

2602
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:24,639
for going back 2 000 years

2603
01:52:30,550 --> 01:52:27,840
well yeah you're right i mean to achieve

2604
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:30,560
something and successfully go back and

2605
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:33,599
not be found and or worse still get

2606
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:36,560
killed you know um

2607
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:38,880
i think it's important you know that a

2608
01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:42,480
real time traveler plans you know deep

2609
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,639
uh to begin with you know um you cannot

2610
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,320
you know get anything wrong the

2611
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,560
clothing's gonna be right

2612
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:53,119
the accent the wordings

2613
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:55,599
you know and um

2614
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:57,119
and

2615
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:00,639
that

2616
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:03,599
and you've achieved time travel

2617
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:07,440
um bit by bit you might actually be able

2618
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:10,800
to you know sort of mingle among us uh

2619
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,480
to such a significant degree that one

2620
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,560
could really walk past you and you would

2621
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,480
not know about it you know you might

2622
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:20,560
just think you know his clothes are a

2623
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:21,920
little bit off

2624
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:23,840
that kind of thing or they've got a you

2625
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,239
know they use old

2626
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:28,560
um wordings you know instead of calling

2627
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,800
a girl a girl they call her a dame you

2628
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:32,639
know that kind of thing

2629
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:35,040
um it'd be it would be the little things

2630
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:37,199
i think that would give him away well

2631
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:39,280
and there's another part to this and

2632
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,280
that's the inter-dimensional part of

2633
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:43,280
time travel you know creating alternate

2634
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:45,920
timelines and and going back

2635
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:46,880
that

2636
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:48,239
you may not

2637
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,360
you may only be able to see the past but

2638
01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:53,119
not be seen

2639
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:54,880
right you may be interdimensional you

2640
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:57,679
may be invisible to everybody around you

2641
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,520
and you can't interact you can only

2642
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,679
observe

2643
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:03,920
yeah and i think that it i think that is

2644
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,440
a viable scenario and i think that's why

2645
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:09,360
you know things don't you know we do

2646
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:12,480
have these bizarre events however you

2647
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:13,199
know

2648
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:15,520
we're in a situation where

2649
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:18,080
i for the most part you know perhaps

2650
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,320
we're not able to change time you know

2651
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:22,480
we can get back into time

2652
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:25,840
you know or forward into time but that's

2653
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:28,080
because it's already

2654
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:30,080
sort of something that's going to happen

2655
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:34,159
anyway and you have no way to change it

2656
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:37,040
so i think that's a possibility you know

2657
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:39,760
um going back in time

2658
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:43,119
uh or going into the future um it's all

2659
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,520
very well but you know people say well

2660
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,520
what if you do something wrong well

2661
01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:49,199
clearly didn't go wrong because you're

2662
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:52,080
talking with the other person right now

2663
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:54,000
so i think you know it's almost like

2664
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,560
fate you know what about

2665
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:58,320
excuse me

2666
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:00,560
uh you brought up the thunderbird in

2667
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:03,199
that pterodactyl uh picture

2668
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:06,639
and i had a guest on the show um

2669
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:09,760
uh that was talking was uh margie k

2670
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:12,159
uh talking about a case that she

2671
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:15,599
investigated uh for mufon

2672
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,000
or maybe it was on her own um

2673
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,880
in kansas but what was strange about

2674
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,639
this case was you know there was the

2675
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:24,960
flying saucer above the lawn there was

2676
01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:27,760
fairies in the tree in the front yard

2677
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:30,480
but that this couple an older couple

2678
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:33,040
had driven from they saw

2679
01:55:39,870 --> 01:55:35,760
a pterodactyl flying

2680
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,880
now uh going back to the is is there a

2681
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:41,679
possibility

2682
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:43,920
um and this is the question i raised

2683
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:45,760
with margie i'm certainly going to do it

2684
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:47,280
with you here

2685
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:50,400
that this thunderbird or other sightings

2686
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,440
like this in the past dinos or whatever

2687
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:56,000
are these time traveling

2688
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:01,669
well i wouldn't go so far as to say that

2689
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:03,920
they are able to you know something like

2690
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:06,400
a pterodactyl would be have the ability

2691
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:09,199
itself to travel through time but what i

2692
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:12,719
would suggest is a strong possibility

2693
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:17,440
is you know at random even um you just

2694
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,400
whether a pterodactyl a mammoth or

2695
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:22,320
anything cyber tooth tiger you know

2696
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:25,840
anything from the past potentially could

2697
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:29,440
enter through you know some sort of time

2698
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:31,679
warp if you like

2699
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:33,760
some vortex

2700
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,800
right a vortex some kind of stargate

2701
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:38,880
some natural opening

2702
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:41,040
some rip in time

2703
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:43,440
and then you just show up

2704
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:45,760
exactly yeah uh

2705
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,760
like okay when we come back after the

2706
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:49,920
break what about things like i just want

2707
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:52,159
you to think don't answer yet what about

2708
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:53,360
bigfoot

2709
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:57,119
right

2710
01:57:02,390 --> 01:56:59,360
it's it's it's not that

2711
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:02,400
far off if you stop and think about it

2712
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:03,840
and there's another

2713
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:06,800
uh another what about ghosts

2714
01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:10,000
you know and you just talked about um uh

2715
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:12,080
what was the uh what was the battle in

2716
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:14,000
england

2717
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:16,880
oh hopton hey hopton heath by the way uh

2718
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:18,880
a bunch of pictures uh got posted in

2719
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:20,800
twitter uh from our friends over in

2720
01:57:24,310 --> 01:57:22,639
england about hopped and eat

2721
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,320
um

2722
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:26,159
were those ghosts was that a

2723
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:28,560
representation was it like a video

2724
01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:30,800
recording of the past that's playing out

2725
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:32,400
now

2726
01:57:41,109 --> 01:57:38,000
sightings of uh the loch ness monster or

2727
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:41,119
or sasquatch or ufos in the sky that

2728
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:44,320
just maybe that's what is is going on

2729
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:47,280
that there's some element of time slip

2730
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:49,360
and and time travel playing out and

2731
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:53,119
we're just able to see it at that moment

2732
01:57:58,149 --> 01:57:55,199
yeah i mean that's a good point as well

2733
01:58:02,310 --> 01:57:58,159
the idea that you know occasionally

2734
01:58:04,390 --> 01:58:02,320
glinting events occur and something like

2735
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:04,400
as we said like a pterodactyl

2736
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:06,880
potentially could come through into our

2737
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:11,199
reality uh but it's reality was say 10

2738
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:13,920
million years ago something like that

2739
01:58:19,109 --> 01:58:16,880
and um and it's just a one-off thing and

2740
01:58:21,030 --> 01:58:19,119
that's why you know we just see these

2741
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:21,040
events you know if we see them all the

2742
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:22,960
time you know be something very

2743
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:25,360
different but the fact that they are

2744
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:27,679
sort of sparse and um

2745
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:29,440
we don't get to see

2746
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:31,599
hardly anything like this but we do now

2747
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:34,320
and again i think that is a good point

2748
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:37,520
you know towards um reality

2749
01:58:40,870 --> 01:58:39,119
let's take our break right here our

2750
01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:40,880
guest tonight nick redfern we're talking

2751
01:58:43,669 --> 01:58:42,480
about his new book time travel the

2752
01:58:47,589 --> 01:58:43,679
science

2753
01:58:50,110 --> 01:58:47,599
church this is fade to black one of my

2754
01:58:54,050 --> 01:58:50,120
favorite subjects stay with us

2755
01:58:57,750 --> 01:58:54,060
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2756
01:59:04,840 --> 01:58:59,510
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02:04:00,310 --> 02:03:57,360
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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one of my favorite subjects was one of

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my favorite guests nick redfearn is here

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tonight we're talking about time travel

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tomorrow night it's thursday

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it's fader night with open lines all

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night long but tonight we're talking

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about time travel uh with nick redfern

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and his new book is called time travel

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the science and science fiction and nick

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02:04:24,790 --> 02:04:22,320
i wanted to talk we got to talk to ufos

2868
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:24,800
a little bit and one of the

2869
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:27,440
one of the ideas one of the theories

2870
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:30,320
that is really gaining traction um in

2871
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:33,760
the ufo community these days and other

2872
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:35,920
uh

2873
02:04:39,669 --> 02:04:37,679
other researchers out there are

2874
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:39,679
certainly talking about

2875
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:43,440
the ufo phenomenon uh in large part

2876
02:04:47,990 --> 02:04:45,840
maybe just us from the future

2877
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:48,000
coming back and

2878
02:04:51,430 --> 02:04:49,760
and i know you've thought about this

2879
02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:51,440
what do you what do you think about that

2880
02:04:56,229 --> 02:04:53,440
idea

2881
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:56,239
oh well there's actually um a number of

2882
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:59,040
sort of significant stories um about

2883
02:05:04,629 --> 02:05:02,950
and um

2884
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:04,639
one of them comes from

2885
02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:07,840
jim peniston who was one of the guys who

2886
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:11,360
was involved at the famous 1980

2887
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:14,800
uh rendelsham forest ufo landing in in

2888
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,920
december 1980 uh in the uk

2889
02:05:22,790 --> 02:05:19,920
uh people who may not know rentals and

2890
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:22,800
forest a large area of woodland on the

2891
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:26,320
east coast of england december 1980 over

2892
02:05:31,990 --> 02:05:28,800
the course of three nights um strange

2893
02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:32,000
lights and objects and were seen within

2894
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:34,480
the woods and um and there's multiple

2895
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,199
theories for what happened in rendelsham

2896
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:39,280
forest and um

2897
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:41,440
in fact um um

2898
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:43,360
excuse me um

2899
02:05:48,310 --> 02:05:45,840
jimmy actually i'd be on um the show

2900
02:05:52,149 --> 02:05:48,320
talking about my book on rendelsham uh

2901
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,159
from the angle of an experiment however

2902
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:54,480
um jim peniston who was one of the guys

2903
02:06:01,589 --> 02:05:58,320
actually in the woods um said that he's

2904
02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:01,599
basically when he was in the woods and

2905
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:04,960
and these entities were there but

2906
02:06:09,910 --> 02:06:06,880
he essentially had

2907
02:06:12,229 --> 02:06:09,920
multiple amounts of data sort of

2908
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:12,239
downloaded into his mind

2909
02:06:18,790 --> 02:06:15,360
and one of the things that he was told

2910
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:18,800
was that in the future um that the human

2911
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:22,639
race was in a very dangerous state um

2912
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:25,840
and and not at all in good shape and so

2913
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:28,960
they go back or to or they go further to

2914
02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:30,800
the future i should say

2915
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:31,840
um

2916
02:06:38,149 --> 02:06:34,320
and then come back to here

2917
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:38,159
and try and find ways to um

2918
02:06:42,870 --> 02:06:40,800
take people dna

2919
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:42,880
eggs blood that kind of thing

2920
02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:46,000
and then take them to the future and try

2921
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:47,520
and find to sort of

2922
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:50,480
beef up the stock in say from from the

2923
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,880
23rd or the 24th

2924
02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:54,880
century that kind of thing

2925
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:57,679
and um and pennison has a really

2926
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,560
interesting story about the the idea

2927
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:03,119
that it wasn't aliens that came down at

2928
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:06,560
rendelsham forest but it was actually us

2929
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:09,599
time travelers uh coming back uh when

2930
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:12,079
the earth is in a terrible state maybe

2931
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:14,000
five or six hundred

2932
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:17,199
you know years from now or possibly even

2933
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:19,520
multiple centuries from now

2934
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:21,599
uh is it uh

2935
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:23,760
when we look at

2936
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:27,119
all of these objects in the sky

2937
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:28,719
i don't know if you've had a personal

2938
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:31,280
experience but certainly millions have

2939
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:33,280
including myself

2940
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:35,840
that it appears

2941
02:07:40,310 --> 02:07:38,719
that some of these sightings

2942
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:40,320
and again i'm going with personal

2943
02:07:44,149 --> 02:07:41,520
experience

2944
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,159
appear out of nowhere and then and then

2945
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:46,560
disappear right i mean right in front of

2946
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:49,440
your eyes and you see this happen

2947
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:50,320
um

2948
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:52,400
i i think that that may be an example i

2949
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:55,520
don't know what's going on but if it's

2950
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:58,880
us from the future maybe that could be

2951
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:00,960
what's happening with these objects

2952
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:03,360
appearing and disappearing in the sky

2953
02:08:06,550 --> 02:08:05,679
putting jim pennison's experience to the

2954
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:06,560
side

2955
02:08:11,030 --> 02:08:08,800
because that was pretty interesting how

2956
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:11,040
he revealed that but then we have the

2957
02:08:16,870 --> 02:08:14,880
other evidence that would support it

2958
02:08:19,030 --> 02:08:16,880
what sorry uh we would

2959
02:08:21,589 --> 02:08:19,040
we have all the other evidence that

2960
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,599
would support jim peniston's

2961
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:24,159
encounter with with these objects that

2962
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:27,119
just appear and disappear in the sky

2963
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:29,840
oh yeah i mean if you look at a lot of

2964
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:32,960
ufo cases you know um

2965
02:08:38,390 --> 02:08:35,520
as far as we know you know people like

2966
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:38,400
nasa and and whoever else aren't you

2967
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,520
know on a daily basis you know sort of

2968
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:43,280
uh targeting

2969
02:08:48,390 --> 02:08:45,520
hundreds of ufos coming into our

2970
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:48,400
atmosphere you know every day and night

2971
02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:50,800
or whatever um

2972
02:08:55,910 --> 02:08:53,599
but the time travel angle of these

2973
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:55,920
things just suddenly appearing quite

2974
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,679
literally

2975
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:00,000
out of nowhere you know at the click of

2976
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:03,520
a finger um that would actually you know

2977
02:09:09,990 --> 02:09:07,040
so go along really quite well or very

2978
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:10,000
well in terms with time travel the idea

2979
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:11,360
that um

2980
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:13,679
you know they've just zapped out of the

2981
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:17,920
16th century to the 21st to the 31st

2982
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:21,679
back to the 21st and all we get to see

2983
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:24,960
is when they suddenly appear do whatever

2984
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:27,199
they want to do or need to do

2985
02:09:32,629 --> 02:09:30,400
in our arena and then they're gone again

2986
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:32,639
and and that would make a lot of sense

2987
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:37,040
really now what about uh andrew bashago

2988
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:39,920
and there are elements about andrew that

2989
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:43,520
branch out into other realms of the time

2990
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,520
travel enigma

2991
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:47,599
but one of the things that he

2992
02:09:52,390 --> 02:09:49,920
uh talked about many times on this show

2993
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,400
and i've sat with uh andrew and

2994
02:09:57,189 --> 02:09:54,719
discussed this with him in person

2995
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:57,199
that he he like

2996
02:10:01,669 --> 02:10:00,560
teleported right he's walking into a

2997
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:01,679
room

2998
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:02,800
uh

2999
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:05,599
walks through a door and he's on mars or

3000
02:10:10,709 --> 02:10:07,599
he's in the future or

3001
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:10,719
yeah he he was i think he said he was at

3002
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:14,400
gettysburg uh with uh abraham lincoln

3003
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:17,199
but um is is teleporting

3004
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:18,159
to

3005
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,560
uh different uh

3006
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:22,480
uh to different places in different

3007
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:24,639
times

3008
02:10:29,109 --> 02:10:27,119
well yeah i mean i think you know when

3009
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:29,119
you're talking about teleporting it

3010
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:31,440
doesn't necessarily mean you know that

3011
02:10:35,109 --> 02:10:32,800
you're also

3012
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:35,119
time traveling at the same point you

3013
02:10:42,310 --> 02:10:39,520
know i mean you could in theory you know

3014
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:42,320
in theory we could teleport i mean a lot

3015
02:10:45,990 --> 02:10:44,480
of papers and um

3016
02:10:48,069 --> 02:10:46,000
you know and

3017
02:10:51,830 --> 02:10:48,079
documents have been put together to try

3018
02:10:54,069 --> 02:10:51,840
and figure out you know if teleportation

3019
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:54,079
is feasible you know the last thing we

3020
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:56,400
wanted you know is the scenario like in

3021
02:11:03,750 --> 02:10:59,840
the fly or something you know

3022
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:03,760
and um however just because we teleport

3023
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:06,079
doesn't necessarily mean we

3024
02:11:10,550 --> 02:11:07,920
also um

3025
02:11:12,550 --> 02:11:10,560
travel through time i mean it could mean

3026
02:11:15,030 --> 02:11:12,560
you know that we could do both at the

3027
02:11:18,629 --> 02:11:15,040
same time that would be even better but

3028
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:18,639
um but again um you know something like

3029
02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:21,760
that needs more digging into i think and

3030
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:23,520
um and when you've got really

3031
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:25,920
controversial stories i always you know

3032
02:11:30,229 --> 02:11:27,920
say to people that have got a

3033
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:30,239
controversial story like his

3034
02:11:34,470 --> 02:11:31,520
um

3035
02:11:37,430 --> 02:11:34,480
show us some evidence you know uh

3036
02:11:40,069 --> 02:11:37,440
do you think the military uh darpa the

3037
02:11:41,669 --> 02:11:40,079
department of defense um

3038
02:11:44,709 --> 02:11:41,679
is

3039
02:11:47,030 --> 02:11:44,719
experimenting and researching with time

3040
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:47,040
travel

3041
02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:49,760
well i mean if you believe some of the

3042
02:11:55,030 --> 02:11:52,239
stories it's already happened i mean a

3043
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:55,040
classic example uh would be which we

3044
02:12:00,149 --> 02:11:57,199
mentioned briefly at the beginning um

3045
02:12:03,030 --> 02:12:00,159
the philadelphia experiments um

3046
02:12:07,030 --> 02:12:03,040
supposedly these experiments in the

3047
02:12:10,390 --> 02:12:07,040
um in 1943 went supposedly

3048
02:12:11,990 --> 02:12:10,400
outside of the philadelphia

3049
02:12:14,790 --> 02:12:12,000
yard and

3050
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:14,800
an experiment was going on to try and

3051
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:17,440
make a u.s battleship

3052
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:20,560
or warship i should say um

3053
02:12:26,229 --> 02:12:23,760
invisible to radar and supposedly

3054
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:26,239
something went wrong and the ship

3055
02:12:33,030 --> 02:12:28,880
literally went invisible

3056
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:33,040
and some of the researchers um

3057
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:35,840
claimed that not only did the ship go

3058
02:12:42,870 --> 02:12:39,280
invisible but it briefly uh or from from

3059
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:42,880
their time if you like um vanished and

3060
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:46,239
briefly was sent into the future into

3061
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:49,119
the 1980s um

3062
02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:50,000
and

3063
02:12:57,510 --> 02:12:55,280
philadelphia experiments i do personally

3064
02:12:58,390 --> 02:12:57,520
believe something really weird did

3065
02:13:00,950 --> 02:12:58,400
happen

3066
02:13:03,109 --> 02:13:00,960
whether it was time travel whether it

3067
02:13:05,430 --> 02:13:03,119
was sort of leaping into some of the

3068
02:13:08,390 --> 02:13:05,440
realm and then coming back or it was

3069
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:08,400
just invisibility i honestly just don't

3070
02:13:12,310 --> 02:13:11,360
know what the answer is but time travel

3071
02:13:15,589 --> 02:13:12,320
um

3072
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:15,599
undertaken if you like by the elements

3073
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:18,079
of the government that is sort of like a

3074
02:13:24,149 --> 02:13:19,760
classic example

3075
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:24,159
um of that um situation um and this was

3076
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:26,320
back in 1943

3077
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:28,320
um and there's a good there's a lot of

3078
02:13:32,629 --> 02:13:30,560
good books on

3079
02:13:35,189 --> 02:13:32,639
the philadelphia experiment and there's

3080
02:13:35,990 --> 02:13:35,199
also some really bad ones to avoid as

3081
02:13:37,589 --> 02:13:36,000
well

3082
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:37,599
but something happened you know it's

3083
02:13:42,629 --> 02:13:40,000
like roswell or randallship something

3084
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:42,639
really weird happened and it may have

3085
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,599
involved uh time travel well the next

3086
02:13:50,310 --> 02:13:47,760
steps off of the philadelphia

3087
02:13:53,109 --> 02:13:50,320
experiments of course are

3088
02:13:57,510 --> 02:13:53,119
uh the different uh personalities there

3089
02:14:01,430 --> 02:13:57,520
like stewart swerdlow um al bilik

3090
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:01,440
and montauk and uh what went on in

3091
02:14:06,229 --> 02:14:04,159
montauk new york

3092
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:06,239
and that would certainly that was the

3093
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:08,719
u.s military base of course

3094
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:10,880
that would

3095
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:13,280
show us an example of the military being

3096
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:15,440
involved uh what do you what did you

3097
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,920
think about al bilik's uh story and

3098
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:19,920
stewart's word lows and the montauk

3099
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:21,840
experiment

3100
02:14:26,229 --> 02:14:24,239
well it comes to uh you know what really

3101
02:14:27,669 --> 02:14:26,239
what i just said you know the in

3102
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:27,679
relation to you know the other

3103
02:14:31,750 --> 02:14:29,440
situations where

3104
02:14:34,470 --> 02:14:31,760
you know that the more and more

3105
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:34,480
controversial and um

3106
02:14:39,910 --> 02:14:37,360
and really bizarre

3107
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:39,920
show me some hard evidence i'll be happy

3108
02:14:45,510 --> 02:14:42,560
to look at it you know

3109
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:45,520
i think the more and more the story gets

3110
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:48,719
more and more wild the more and more we

3111
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:50,800
need hard data

3112
02:14:53,830 --> 02:14:52,079
and

3113
02:14:55,189 --> 02:14:53,840
in yes some of these stories are

3114
02:14:57,510 --> 02:14:55,199
fascinating

3115
02:14:59,270 --> 02:14:57,520
but but show me what you've got you know

3116
02:15:01,910 --> 02:14:59,280
that's all i want

3117
02:15:02,709 --> 02:15:01,920
now uh the uh

3118
02:15:07,990 --> 02:15:02,719
uh

3119
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:08,000
for me you're absolutely right

3120
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:11,040
sensational um and the story got bigger

3121
02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:12,639
and bigger and bigger there's no doubt

3122
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,280
about it but al bilik's recall and

3123
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:18,960
and his

3124
02:15:25,030 --> 02:15:22,480
uh testimony uh in in great detail

3125
02:15:27,910 --> 02:15:25,040
about the future and how it happened

3126
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:27,920
uh how he got there and how he uh made

3127
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:29,280
his way back

3128
02:15:34,149 --> 02:15:31,360
is is pretty detailed but there's

3129
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:34,159
another aspect to this when we talk

3130
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:35,679
about evidence

3131
02:15:38,069 --> 02:15:36,880
which is

3132
02:15:44,390 --> 02:15:38,079
uh

3133
02:15:47,109 --> 02:15:44,400
not the only one preston nicholls um

3134
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:47,119
talk about the the underground portion

3135
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:50,960
of camp freedom there at montauk uh near

3136
02:15:56,629 --> 02:15:54,239
the radar dish and and these levels

3137
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:56,639
underground well the air force

3138
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:58,320
uh came out nick and said there was

3139
02:16:02,149 --> 02:16:00,400
nothing underground at

3140
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:02,159
at that facility everything was above

3141
02:16:05,189 --> 02:16:03,119
ground

3142
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:05,199
well

3143
02:16:10,950 --> 02:16:08,800
uh some researchers uh went in

3144
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:10,960
and and got into the buildings you can

3145
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:14,159
see the videos yourself and they found

3146
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:16,480
elevators shafts

3147
02:16:22,149 --> 02:16:19,119
going deep right now nobody went down

3148
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:22,159
the shafts right but you can clearly see

3149
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:23,920
in the videos as they're pointing the

3150
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:25,760
cameras down that these

3151
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:28,079
elevator shafts are going somewhere and

3152
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:30,400
they're elevated not stairs right going

3153
02:16:32,950 --> 02:16:31,679
down the flight of stairs to the

3154
02:16:35,110 --> 02:16:32,960
basement

3155
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:35,120
it's an elevator shaft

3156
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:38,479
and that where now who's lying here well

3157
02:16:44,389 --> 02:16:39,760
uh

3158
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:44,399
preston nichols aren't

3159
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:47,840
uh the air force was

3160
02:16:51,910 --> 02:16:49,439
right now

3161
02:16:54,389 --> 02:16:51,920
now there's something to this story

3162
02:16:56,549 --> 02:16:54,399
do do we need to go further and and and

3163
02:16:59,669 --> 02:16:56,559
look at this and try to uncover more

3164
02:17:02,309 --> 02:16:59,679
evidence about montauk

3165
02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:02,319
well yeah i mean that's a good point i

3166
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:04,319
mean like like i said i mean you know i

3167
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:07,280
don't ex um at all dismiss the

3168
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:10,639
philadelphia experiment um itself i'm

3169
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:12,719
just not sure which is the correct

3170
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:15,359
scenario if you see what i mean you know

3171
02:17:18,870 --> 02:17:17,280
is it was it time travel was it

3172
02:17:25,349 --> 02:17:18,880
invisibility

3173
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:25,359
was it something else completely um but

3174
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:28,000
in a lot of these you know i'm sure you

3175
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:30,639
know in fact i'm absolutely sure that

3176
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:33,040
you know there was some sort of really

3177
02:17:36,469 --> 02:17:34,160
bizarre

3178
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:36,479
experiments you know the philadelphia

3179
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:39,760
experiments and um in saying that i you

3180
02:17:43,030 --> 02:17:40,639
know for

3181
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:43,040
people who've not seen it um i would

3182
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:47,519
recommend people uh watch the 1984 movie

3183
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:49,599
uh the philadelphia experiment which is

3184
02:17:58,549 --> 02:17:54,319
a good fun sort of roller coaster um

3185
02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:58,559
kind of adventure movie um which uh

3186
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:01,840
involves the sort of um

3187
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:05,280
the radar invisibility and um and the

3188
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:08,080
time travel angle and

3189
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:09,760
and some people have actually said you

3190
02:18:16,709 --> 02:18:12,160
know that the movie's based on

3191
02:18:18,950 --> 02:18:16,719
um the original um truth so to speak um

3192
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:18,960
and it's entertaining as well so which

3193
02:18:23,429 --> 02:18:20,399
is always a good thing

3194
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:23,439
now what about uh uh different uh we've

3195
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:25,120
just got a little bit of time left here

3196
02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:28,000
what about different places and points

3197
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:29,280
um

3198
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:32,160
around the world uh certainly egypt or

3199
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:35,599
stonehenge comes into play but there are

3200
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:39,920
uh you know argentina peru uh there are

3201
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,280
reports of star gates and time travel

3202
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:45,599
are there specific places around the

3203
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:47,599
world that are that are known for time

3204
02:18:51,190 --> 02:18:49,679
travel

3205
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:51,200
um

3206
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:53,040
most of the i have to say for sure that

3207
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:55,920
that um most of the cases i've got have

3208
02:19:02,309 --> 02:18:59,920
been really sort of um from the uk

3209
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:02,319
and the us and some of the more uh

3210
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:06,000
well-known stories um but in terms of

3211
02:19:11,750 --> 02:19:09,120
locations um and again this is one of

3212
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:11,760
the the lesser known aspects is that

3213
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:14,240
there are a number of cases where people

3214
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,639
have said that uh they were on sort of

3215
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:18,399
um oceans

3216
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:21,040
and um you know on boats or in planes

3217
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:23,599
and things like this and they've gone

3218
02:19:28,150 --> 02:19:26,800
through like um like a green mist like a

3219
02:19:30,549 --> 02:19:28,160
green fog

3220
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:30,559
and um went through

3221
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:33,200
and in some cases that when they came

3222
02:19:38,549 --> 02:19:35,519
out of this green fog

3223
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:38,559
um you know the the times on the

3224
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:41,439
aircraft were different as if you know

3225
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:44,000
it had frozen for them but not for you

3226
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:47,599
know everybody outside of it and um and

3227
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,080
a lot of sort of time anomalies like

3228
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:53,120
that around the world uh where somebody

3229
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:55,680
also um thought you know they were

3230
02:20:00,230 --> 02:19:58,479
walking down the street for just about

3231
02:20:02,070 --> 02:20:00,240
20 minutes something like or should have

3232
02:20:05,110 --> 02:20:02,080
could be walking for about 20 minutes

3233
02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:05,120
but they went through this green fog and

3234
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:08,319
they made this 20 minute journey in like

3235
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:10,640
two minutes and um

3236
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:13,280
and what that might be i don't know but

3237
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:16,800
um but whatever the sort of green fog

3238
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:19,280
that has been reported in a number of

3239
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:22,399
cases and particularly so um in a number

3240
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:25,600
of books on the bermuda triangle uh

3241
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:27,200
something that you don't hear too much

3242
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:30,720
about uh nowadays but um at one point

3243
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:33,200
there was a lot of research done into

3244
02:20:41,030 --> 02:20:37,120
these sort of strange clouds and strange

3245
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:41,040
green fogs and um and which had sort of

3246
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:44,080
a time aspect attached to them now when

3247
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:47,040
uh when i got your book and uh there

3248
02:20:51,510 --> 02:20:50,479
were two chapters uh that i i flipped to

3249
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:51,520
first

3250
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:54,479
uh one of course was i knew what it was

3251
02:20:59,670 --> 02:20:57,120
gonna be about but uh uh

3252
02:21:02,550 --> 02:20:59,680
chapter 24 the world's most famous time

3253
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:02,560
traveler okay i bet you this is teeter

3254
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:03,359
right

3255
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:05,600
and and it was a great chapter of the

3256
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:07,200
book but the other chapter that i

3257
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:09,040
flipped through and i want to close with

3258
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:09,840
this

3259
02:21:14,389 --> 02:21:12,399
was a chapter 21

3260
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:14,399
alien robots

3261
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,520
and time maneuvering now just the title

3262
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:19,280
right just the title

3263
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:21,600
of that chapter

3264
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,640
uh forces me to think um

3265
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:26,720
can you talk a little bit about chapter

3266
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:31,120
21 alien robots and time maneuvering

3267
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:33,200
well yeah i mean this is this is a

3268
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:35,359
strange one i mean um

3269
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:37,520
you know the um

3270
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:41,920
the story well the story itself um

3271
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:44,240
let me start again let me start again i

3272
02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:47,359
mean the story itself is a fascinating

3273
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:50,800
one because um it's sort of um you know

3274
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,160
what you would call

3275
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:54,399
i don't know sort of alternative time

3276
02:22:00,150 --> 02:21:57,680
travel if you like but um this revolves

3277
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:00,160
around um roswell

3278
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:03,920
and the idea that the um

3279
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:07,600
the roswell ufo if you like was not an

3280
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:11,359
alien flying saucer or alien spacecraft

3281
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:13,200
but it was actually

3282
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:14,800
a time machine

3283
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:17,760
that um reached our planet

3284
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:19,359
and that the

3285
02:22:25,510 --> 02:22:22,399
the creatures on board were not

3286
02:22:28,150 --> 02:22:25,520
aliens or extraterrestrials at all they

3287
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:28,160
were sort of biological robots

3288
02:22:32,550 --> 02:22:31,680
now the person who put that story out

3289
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:32,560
there

3290
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:36,560
um was philip corso and phillip corso

3291
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,000
was a legitimate um military officer and

3292
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:42,720
yes he was and some people have

3293
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:45,439
sort of claimed that he's just um he was

3294
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:48,640
a fantasist he's dead now many years

3295
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:51,760
but corso wrote this book in 1997

3296
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:53,760
the day after roswell

3297
02:22:59,110 --> 02:22:56,240
and and that that was one of the

3298
02:23:03,030 --> 02:22:59,120
controversial aspects of his book that

3299
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:03,040
the the ufo was a time machine that and

3300
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:05,200
the aliens are actually biological

3301
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:09,520
robots um essentially created and and

3302
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:12,640
designed to perform specific

3303
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:16,399
um acts while on on the the craft

3304
02:23:20,070 --> 02:23:19,280
themselves and um

3305
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,080
and

3306
02:23:26,389 --> 02:23:22,880
corso also sort of went to another

3307
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:26,399
stretch if you like and said that as far

3308
02:23:33,830 --> 02:23:30,479
as the the story was concerned um he

3309
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:33,840
wasn't sure if they were aliens from the

3310
02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:36,880
future our future or they were from

3311
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:38,880
somebody else's future

3312
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:43,120
um but he was he was adamant that was uh

3313
02:23:48,150 --> 02:23:45,920
there was a time travel component

3314
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:48,160
attached to um

3315
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:49,520
to roswell

3316
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:52,000
and he said that the so-called alien

3317
02:23:57,510 --> 02:23:53,680
grays which

3318
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:57,520
that was seen supposedly on board um the

3319
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:00,800
roswell ufo were also were identical to

3320
02:24:05,270 --> 02:24:03,920
the so-called alien greys that do the

3321
02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:05,280
abductions

3322
02:24:12,389 --> 02:24:09,200
um now although his story is a very

3323
02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:12,399
sensational one the fact is

3324
02:24:19,190 --> 02:24:15,760
and you may not know this but um of all

3325
02:24:21,349 --> 02:24:19,200
the people who've come forward um to

3326
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:21,359
speak about roswell all of the retired

3327
02:24:29,190 --> 02:24:25,120
military people corso was the the most

3328
02:24:32,469 --> 02:24:29,200
hide uh decorated um of all the military

3329
02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:32,479
personnel um so whether people buy into

3330
02:24:38,150 --> 02:24:35,280
history or not he was the

3331
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:38,160
the um as i said the he was the number

3332
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:42,479
one guy in terms of you know decorations

3333
02:24:48,710 --> 02:24:45,600
to talk about roswell now what about uh

3334
02:24:50,550 --> 02:24:48,720
you know to tie into that uh is you know

3335
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:50,560
the nazi bell

3336
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:51,760
dubbell

3337
02:24:57,510 --> 02:24:55,359
and that that was also a time machine

3338
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:57,520
and quite possibly what showed up in

3339
02:25:01,910 --> 02:24:58,960
kecksburg

3340
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:01,920
uh do you think that the nazis uh did

3341
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:05,520
have time traveling technology

3342
02:25:10,309 --> 02:25:08,640
um i'll let to be honest uh for that

3343
02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:10,319
kind of stuff really was a little bit

3344
02:25:13,910 --> 02:25:12,800
set too sensational for me

3345
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:13,920
and um

3346
02:25:18,950 --> 02:25:16,479
and i had a i had a sort of a a word

3347
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:18,960
count which i wasn't able to go over so

3348
02:25:22,150 --> 02:25:20,000
uh

3349
02:25:23,990 --> 02:25:22,160
i felt you know that was

3350
02:25:25,510 --> 02:25:24,000
not really sort of something i wanted i

3351
02:25:26,790 --> 02:25:25,520
didn't really want to go down that way

3352
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:26,800
and sort of

3353
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:28,960
you know sort of

3354
02:25:33,990 --> 02:25:32,560
champion in the nazis or whatever so

3355
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:34,000
but um

3356
02:25:38,469 --> 02:25:37,200
but yeah i think you know um

3357
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:38,479
again the

3358
02:25:42,790 --> 02:25:40,800
the the bell story is a fascinating

3359
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:42,800
story because like randall sherman

3360
02:25:47,110 --> 02:25:44,800
roswell it's um

3361
02:25:50,710 --> 02:25:47,120
you know it's it has this aura and this

3362
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:50,720
background around it you know that um

3363
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:52,800
that we know something happened but

3364
02:25:58,150 --> 02:25:54,880
we're not sure but there appears to have

3365
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:58,160
been you know some kind of um

3366
02:26:02,790 --> 02:26:00,720
time travel aspect in this story but but

3367
02:26:05,270 --> 02:26:02,800
personally i haven't really

3368
02:26:08,309 --> 02:26:05,280
sort of dug into that bell story very

3369
02:26:11,750 --> 02:26:08,319
much now what's next uh i've just got a

3370
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:11,760
minute left uh you seem to uh

3371
02:26:16,710 --> 02:26:14,240
uh always have a book in the works or

3372
02:26:18,550 --> 02:26:16,720
two or three what's up next

3373
02:26:21,510 --> 02:26:18,560
uh well the next one that comes out

3374
02:26:23,590 --> 02:26:21,520
comes out in may and it's called robots

3375
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:23,600
and um and it's a history it'll be a

3376
02:26:30,150 --> 02:26:26,720
history of everything to do with robots

3377
02:26:32,550 --> 02:26:30,160
going way back to the romans and the

3378
02:26:34,790 --> 02:26:32,560
ancient greece where they made you know

3379
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:34,800
some of the um

3380
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:36,960
some you know various people were able

3381
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:39,840
to sort of create little damn sort of um

3382
02:26:46,469 --> 02:26:43,840
toy robots and ride up to you know where

3383
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:46,479
we are now with robots and what the

3384
02:26:51,510 --> 02:26:49,120
future might be you know will be be

3385
02:26:54,070 --> 02:26:51,520
taken over you know we will become

3386
02:26:55,910 --> 02:26:54,080
slaves to them so it's really sort of a

3387
02:27:00,070 --> 02:26:55,920
history of robots

3388
02:27:01,190 --> 02:27:00,080
um but also taking it into the future

3389
02:27:03,750 --> 02:27:01,200
and um

3390
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:03,760
and the theories as to you know what the

3391
02:27:08,070 --> 02:27:06,800
world might be in the future um for us

3392
02:27:09,590 --> 02:27:08,080
and robots

3393
02:27:12,150 --> 02:27:09,600
yeah one of the most famous time

3394
02:27:13,750 --> 02:27:12,160
travelers of all that we didn't discuss

3395
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:13,760
tonight we'll save it for another show

3396
02:27:18,870 --> 02:27:16,479
but leonardo da vinci i'm convinced

3397
02:27:20,790 --> 02:27:18,880
there you go i'm convinced i'm i'm

3398
02:27:22,870 --> 02:27:20,800
absolutely convinced

3399
02:27:25,750 --> 02:27:22,880
he traveled to the future saw what he

3400
02:27:27,349 --> 02:27:25,760
saw went back and started creating

3401
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:27,359
things from

3402
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:31,680
from what what he saw uh

3403
02:27:36,630 --> 02:27:33,439
one helicopter

3404
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:36,640
airplanes tanks cars

3405
02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:40,640
uh machine guns uh howwitzers it's just

3406
02:27:43,830 --> 02:27:41,680
uh

3407
02:27:46,389 --> 02:27:43,840
it's a it's a fascinating aspect but i'm

3408
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:46,399
convinced that leonardo uh was was a

3409
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:47,920
time traveler or

3410
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:49,840
hooked up with a time traveler that

3411
02:27:54,710 --> 02:27:52,800
showed him some books maybe some video

3412
02:27:57,030 --> 02:27:54,720
but uh there's something there with

3413
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:57,040
leonardo but uh nick you are the

3414
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:59,040
absolute very best another fascinating

3415
02:28:04,309 --> 02:28:01,520
show in conversation and i look forward

3416
02:28:05,830 --> 02:28:04,319
to our next chat thank you so much all

3417
02:28:07,830 --> 02:28:05,840
right

3418
02:28:10,790 --> 02:28:07,840
thanks a lot thanks a lot jimmy you're

3419
02:28:13,190 --> 02:28:10,800
the best nick redfearn and he loves his

3420
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,200
fade to black shirt by the way

3421
02:28:16,790 --> 02:28:15,280
nick redfearn pick up the book it is

3422
02:28:19,110 --> 02:28:16,800
called time travel the science and

3423
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:19,120
science fiction it's a complete work

3424
02:28:22,469 --> 02:28:21,200
it's a complete book

3425
02:28:24,230 --> 02:28:22,479
i've read it

3426
02:28:25,670 --> 02:28:24,240
i'm yours jimmy church this is fade to

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02:28:26,870 --> 02:28:25,680
black i'm going to take a quick break

3428
02:28:28,389 --> 02:28:26,880
and come back

3429
02:28:29,550 --> 02:28:28,399
and take some of your phone calls stay

3430
02:28:52,710 --> 02:28:29,560
with me

3431
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:54,870
you're listening to jimmy church and

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3433
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[Music]

3506
02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:00,000
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3507
02:33:05,510 --> 02:33:03,280
jimmy church what a great conversation

3508
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:05,520
nick redfearn the book time travel the

3509
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:07,920
science and science fiction

3510
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:10,720
time travel it is just one of the most

3511
02:33:17,670 --> 02:33:14,240
fascinating subjects uh not only uh for

3512
02:33:21,670 --> 02:33:17,680
you but for me and talked about

3513
02:33:23,750 --> 02:33:21,680
movies books physicists science the

3514
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:23,760
pursuit of it

3515
02:33:30,150 --> 02:33:26,640
it's just fascinating and it's endless

3516
02:33:32,070 --> 02:33:30,160
but i have the sneaky suspicion

3517
02:33:33,590 --> 02:33:32,080
that when we get it all figured out it's

3518
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:33,600
going to be simple it's going to be

3519
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:37,200
something really crazy simple

3520
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:39,120
i'm being very serious

3521
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:42,399
and i laid it all out in in my little

3522
02:33:47,349 --> 02:33:44,640
rant at the beginning of the show

3523
02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:47,359
even the way that einstein

3524
02:33:52,309 --> 02:33:50,000
presented uh you know traveling to the

3525
02:33:54,230 --> 02:33:52,319
future it's one of the easiest things i

3526
02:33:57,510 --> 02:33:54,240
mean it's it's right there we just

3527
02:33:58,389 --> 02:33:57,520
haven't built a ship fast enough

3528
02:34:00,790 --> 02:33:58,399
uh

3529
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:00,800
to to just cruise out and turn around

3530
02:34:04,469 --> 02:34:03,040
and come back but when we do

3531
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:04,479
we're going to be going to the future

3532
02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:06,880
it's going to be easy easy

3533
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:09,040
all you got to do is is is punch your

3534
02:34:12,710 --> 02:34:11,359
ticket and go and turn around and come

3535
02:34:15,349 --> 02:34:12,720
back there's that

3536
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:15,359
but i think that if we take that same

3537
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:17,920
concept that same idea

3538
02:34:21,590 --> 02:34:19,680
that traveling to the past is going to

3539
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:21,600
be just as easy and there's no time

3540
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:24,560
machine involved it's just a ship

3541
02:34:29,830 --> 02:34:26,880
that's it a time travel ship

3542
02:34:31,590 --> 02:34:29,840
think about that and uh i'm just

3543
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:31,600
fascinated with time travel

3544
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:33,680
absolutely fascinated with it i have

3545
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:35,760
thought about it i've listened

3546
02:34:42,349 --> 02:34:40,160
uh to every physicist and scientist and

3547
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,359
and read all the books and the

3548
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:44,399
documentaries and

3549
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:47,040
and uh i spent uh before i get to the

3550
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:48,720
calls i've got an international call

3551
02:34:55,349 --> 02:34:50,720
here that i'm gonna bring in right now

3552
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:55,359
um but uh i went through a phase

3553
02:35:00,550 --> 02:34:56,640
where

3554
02:35:01,590 --> 02:35:00,560
uh and this lasted for months

3555
02:35:03,670 --> 02:35:01,600
uh

3556
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:03,680
where i well no wait a minute i should

3557
02:35:09,429 --> 02:35:06,800
say years because i did this many times

3558
02:35:13,630 --> 02:35:09,439
uh jumping on youtube and and looking

3559
02:35:16,389 --> 02:35:13,640
for time travel videos and i watched

3560
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:16,399
everything that was available on youtube

3561
02:35:21,190 --> 02:35:18,640
hundreds of videos hundreds

3562
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:21,200
and uh i'm telling you that this is a

3563
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,080
subject that has got my attention

3564
02:35:28,230 --> 02:35:26,560
and uh it will never go away it will

3565
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,240
never go away we've had a few

3566
02:35:32,710 --> 02:35:31,040
fascinating calls here um on fade to

3567
02:35:34,790 --> 02:35:32,720
black over the years

3568
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:34,800
and one of them

3569
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:36,479
i just want to share this with you i

3570
02:35:40,950 --> 02:35:39,040
can't remember exactly the year

3571
02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:40,960
even who the caller was

3572
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:43,120
uh one of you fade or not uh will

3573
02:35:48,389 --> 02:35:45,760
remember this if you go back that far

3574
02:35:52,150 --> 02:35:48,399
had this caller tell us this story about

3575
02:35:55,110 --> 02:35:52,160
him pulling into a gas station and uh

3576
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:55,120
and there was a van parked out back

3577
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:56,800
and uh

3578
02:36:02,230 --> 02:35:59,680
and his encounter with this person that

3579
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:02,240
was uh oddly dressed

3580
02:36:06,150 --> 02:36:03,920
and uh

3581
02:36:08,550 --> 02:36:06,160
um you know so they had this encounter

3582
02:36:09,830 --> 02:36:08,560
i'm not gonna get into the details but

3583
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:09,840
um

3584
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:12,160
said person uh

3585
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:15,120
walks around the back of the gas station

3586
02:36:17,990 --> 02:36:16,720
jumps in the van

3587
02:36:21,190 --> 02:36:18,000
and

3588
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:21,200
the caller went around the back

3589
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:23,280
and the van was gone

3590
02:36:27,750 --> 02:36:24,720
it was gone

3591
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:27,760
didn't drive away the

3592
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:30,880
clear view of everything the van just

3593
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:34,000
disappeared from where it was sitting

3594
02:36:39,349 --> 02:36:36,399
and that was just uh a fascinating call

3595
02:36:42,270 --> 02:36:39,359
did it happen well you know what

3596
02:36:45,349 --> 02:36:42,280
i'm gonna listen to everybody it was an

3597
02:36:47,990 --> 02:36:45,359
unbelievable uh experience

3598
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:48,000
and to have the caller go through it in

3599
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:49,200
detail

3600
02:36:53,429 --> 02:36:51,760
um and i've had many calls like that

3601
02:36:55,510 --> 02:36:53,439
over the years and certainly you

3602
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:55,520
remember those so anyway i'm just

3603
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:58,960
fascinated with time travel i i truly am

3604
02:37:01,990 --> 02:37:00,000
one day

3605
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:02,000
something's gonna bust man just like the

3606
02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:03,200
ufo

3607
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:06,560
uap situation that we i find ourselves

3608
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:07,359
in

3609
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:16,479
gonna happen and boom

3610
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:18,160
there it is time travel has been

3611
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:20,000
invented in the future and now they're

3612
02:37:23,270 --> 02:37:21,439
coming back here

3613
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:23,280
it's been invented somewhere here

3614
02:37:25,990 --> 02:37:24,880
somebody goes somebody comes back

3615
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:26,000
whatever

3616
02:37:31,670 --> 02:37:29,680
but something is going to happen

3617
02:37:33,190 --> 02:37:31,680
so think about that all right with that

3618
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:33,200
let's go to the phones

3619
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:34,720
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3620
02:37:43,349 --> 02:37:41,429
is that me yes it is you

3621
02:37:45,349 --> 02:37:43,359
ah awesome jimmy how are you doing man

3622
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:45,359
going from perfect in australia you're

3623
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:48,000
calling from perth australia what's your

3624
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:49,200
name

3625
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:50,479
yeah man

3626
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:52,960
uh mitch hey mitch exchange i'm on your

3627
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:57,190
right on mitch

3628
02:38:01,030 --> 02:37:59,600
so calling from perth and uh are you a

3629
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:01,040
time traveler is that what you're

3630
02:38:04,630 --> 02:38:03,920
calling are you are you time traveling

3631
02:38:06,309 --> 02:38:04,640
well

3632
02:38:07,670 --> 02:38:06,319
possibly if you're going to play in and

3633
02:38:09,830 --> 02:38:07,680
through there maybe there'd be a bit of

3634
02:38:13,429 --> 02:38:09,840
a time difference but

3635
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:13,439
well you are living so today

3636
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:17,359
uh is tomorrow i mean you are what what

3637
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:19,040
what's the date

3638
02:38:22,870 --> 02:38:21,120
are you are you december 2nd it's

3639
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:22,880
officially the

3640
02:38:27,830 --> 02:38:26,560
um december 2nd at 2 37 in the afternoon

3641
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,840
officially i'm calling you from the

3642
02:38:30,660 --> 02:38:29,840
future yeah exactly so what's going to

3643
02:38:34,230 --> 02:38:30,670
happen today

3644
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:34,240
[Laughter]

3645
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:36,640
i've always found it oh yeah man

3646
02:38:40,230 --> 02:38:38,240
yeah you know what i've often thought

3647
02:38:43,510 --> 02:38:40,240
wouldn't it be cool

3648
02:38:46,150 --> 02:38:43,520
to get on a plane on your birthday

3649
02:38:48,630 --> 02:38:46,160
and fly backwards

3650
02:38:50,950 --> 02:38:48,640
right fly backwards and just

3651
02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:50,960
yeah and have just birthdays all over

3652
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:52,080
the world

3653
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:54,479
just just go right

3654
02:38:57,429 --> 02:38:56,399
i mean

3655
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:57,439
yeah yeah

3656
02:39:01,830 --> 02:38:59,359
is it possible and then when you end up

3657
02:39:03,670 --> 02:39:01,840
are you at the day before and then you

3658
02:39:04,469 --> 02:39:03,680
get to start all over again i'm just

3659
02:39:07,429 --> 02:39:04,479
saying

3660
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:07,439
it seems possible it seems real

3661
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:09,600
you're calling me from december second

3662
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:10,399
time

3663
02:39:13,590 --> 02:39:12,240
yeah yeah absolutely

3664
02:39:15,190 --> 02:39:13,600
so what's on your mind mitch what's

3665
02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:15,200
going on hey i want it

3666
02:39:17,510 --> 02:39:16,000
well

3667
02:39:19,190 --> 02:39:17,520
it was a really interesting conversation

3668
02:39:22,830 --> 02:39:19,200
that you had with um

3669
02:39:23,910 --> 02:39:22,840
what was his name yeah

3670
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:23,920
um and

3671
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:25,840
you're talking about the mandela effect

3672
02:39:29,110 --> 02:39:27,680
and some other things and what i was

3673
02:39:31,270 --> 02:39:29,120
thinking at is

3674
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:31,280
you know cern right

3675
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:37,349
i honestly think that cern was built

3676
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:39,680
so that every single time there's like a

3677
02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:42,560
catastrophic planetary event

3678
02:39:45,670 --> 02:39:44,560
it just moves us slightly

3679
02:39:47,349 --> 02:39:45,680
from one

3680
02:39:49,270 --> 02:39:47,359
timeline to another that's really close

3681
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:49,280
kind of like an echo so we don't

3682
02:39:52,389 --> 02:39:50,640
actually realize it's happened but then

3683
02:39:54,230 --> 02:39:52,399
we get little things that we're like huh

3684
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:54,240
that's a little bit different like i

3685
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:57,200
swear that when i was a kid the vw logo

3686
02:40:00,950 --> 02:39:58,960
was joined but now it's got that line in

3687
02:40:03,349 --> 02:40:00,960
it and just little things like that and

3688
02:40:05,030 --> 02:40:03,359
i honestly think that it's there

3689
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:05,040
no i don't i think it's here they can

3690
02:40:07,429 --> 02:40:06,640
smash parties with it but i reckon they

3691
02:40:09,110 --> 02:40:07,439
can

3692
02:40:10,710 --> 02:40:09,120
just shift this like it's like a

3693
02:40:14,469 --> 02:40:10,720
fail-safe kind of thing what do you

3694
02:40:16,469 --> 02:40:14,479
think about that well um i think uh

3695
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:16,479
in in to a large

3696
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:19,520
degree i i agree with you maybe not for

3697
02:40:24,790 --> 02:40:21,439
the reasons that you think

3698
02:40:27,190 --> 02:40:24,800
but this is this is what um i have often

3699
02:40:29,269 --> 02:40:27,200
thought about cern and although my

3700
02:40:31,110 --> 02:40:29,279
opinion doesn't matter but this is this

3701
02:40:31,910 --> 02:40:31,120
is where i'm coming from

3702
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:31,920
they

3703
02:40:35,670 --> 02:40:32,880
are

3704
02:40:38,469 --> 02:40:35,680
experiment

3705
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:38,479
with stuff that they know nothing about

3706
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:40,960
nothing right they're just like flipping

3707
02:40:45,670 --> 02:40:42,479
the switch

3708
02:40:47,510 --> 02:40:45,680
kicking up the voltage right

3709
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:47,520
just to see what would happen

3710
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:50,000
was in this guy have you seen that yeah

3711
02:40:54,150 --> 02:40:51,680
every time they latched that up this

3712
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:54,160
spiral was in this guy right now so

3713
02:40:58,870 --> 02:40:56,160
let's think about that for a second

3714
02:41:01,990 --> 02:40:58,880
right they want to well you know today

3715
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:02,000
let's see if we can create black holes

3716
02:41:05,910 --> 02:41:04,000
what

3717
02:41:09,349 --> 02:41:05,920
wait a minute

3718
02:41:11,750 --> 02:41:09,359
don't black holes suck up everything

3719
02:41:14,230 --> 02:41:11,760
right and uh we're listening to an

3720
02:41:15,830 --> 02:41:14,240
australian siren so that's what they

3721
02:41:17,030 --> 02:41:15,840
sound like over there

3722
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:17,040
yeah sorry

3723
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:20,479
background i'm on a building site so

3724
02:41:23,510 --> 02:41:21,600
yeah and there's one other thing i

3725
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:23,520
wanted to ask you before i go if that's

3726
02:41:30,550 --> 02:41:26,800
okay okay and so uh back to cern

3727
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:30,560
as well and done up to me

3728
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:32,399
they might be though you're a time

3729
02:41:35,910 --> 02:41:34,240
traveler they're coming after you that's

3730
02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:35,920
why i'm going to hang up quickly right

3731
02:41:39,830 --> 02:41:37,680
right got to go jimmy

3732
02:41:41,590 --> 02:41:39,840
is is is this

3733
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:41,600
you know they are

3734
02:41:47,190 --> 02:41:45,600
they are experimenting into the unknown

3735
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:47,200
and what if

3736
02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:48,479
they've

3737
02:41:51,670 --> 02:41:49,840
ripped

3738
02:41:53,670 --> 02:41:51,680
the fabric of time

3739
02:41:57,190 --> 02:41:53,680
what if they've opened up portals what

3740
02:41:59,590 --> 02:41:57,200
if entities have entered in here

3741
02:42:01,910 --> 02:41:59,600
you know uh

3742
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:01,920
you know demons and angels and

3743
02:42:12,469 --> 02:42:10,070
they are literally experimenting into

3744
02:42:14,950 --> 02:42:12,479
the unknown just to see what will happen

3745
02:42:17,190 --> 02:42:14,960
and i you know anti-matter

3746
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:17,200
they're creating antimatter

3747
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:19,680
you know wait a minute here

3748
02:42:24,830 --> 02:42:23,760
and i i wouldn't be surprised if uh

3749
02:42:28,389 --> 02:42:24,840
uh

3750
02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:28,399
something one day like cern is gone

3751
02:42:32,550 --> 02:42:29,680
right

3752
02:42:34,870 --> 02:42:32,560
it's like it was here yesterday

3753
02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:34,880
it's just yeah it's gone they said they

3754
02:42:38,630 --> 02:42:36,240
were gonna open up a black hole and now

3755
02:42:39,670 --> 02:42:38,640
they're gone right right right here when

3756
02:42:42,309 --> 02:42:39,680
they get

3757
02:42:44,950 --> 02:42:42,319
now it's just a field of sheep

3758
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:44,960
here in switzerland

3759
02:42:48,469 --> 02:42:47,200
so you know i i've i've thought about

3760
02:42:51,590 --> 02:42:48,479
that

3761
02:42:53,670 --> 02:42:51,600
part

3762
02:42:56,630 --> 02:42:53,680
they don't know

3763
02:42:58,710 --> 02:42:56,640
you know and and and here's the the

3764
02:43:01,110 --> 02:42:58,720
theoretical side mitch is this is a

3765
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:01,120
great phone call and thank you for this

3766
02:43:07,030 --> 02:43:03,600
but here's the theoretical side

3767
02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:07,040
that stephen hawking and and kip thorne

3768
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:09,120
and and others

3769
02:43:14,309 --> 02:43:12,080
um have discussed uh

3770
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:14,319
over and over and over again

3771
02:43:19,750 --> 02:43:15,840
black holes

3772
02:43:21,750 --> 02:43:19,760
suck up stuff and then they get bigger

3773
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:21,760
they suck up more stuff they get bigger

3774
02:43:26,710 --> 02:43:23,520
they get bigger they get bigger they get

3775
02:43:28,550 --> 02:43:26,720
bigger and if you're gonna go and and

3776
02:43:31,269 --> 02:43:28,560
create a black hole

3777
02:43:32,870 --> 02:43:31,279
how long would it take for that you know

3778
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:32,880
they're saying well they're small black

3779
02:43:37,110 --> 02:43:35,040
holes well you know what they get bigger

3780
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:37,120
right and what

3781
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:39,600
what if something uncontrollable just

3782
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:42,319
has only a matter of time before

3783
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:43,520
that means it's only a matter of time

3784
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:45,120
before a black hole in a solar system

3785
02:43:49,269 --> 02:43:47,200
gets big enough to swallow

3786
02:43:51,190 --> 02:43:49,279
the solar

3787
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:53,429
eventually the whole universe could be

3788
02:43:56,950 --> 02:43:55,439
one giant black hole

3789
02:43:59,670 --> 02:43:56,960
right that's it everything just

3790
02:44:03,510 --> 02:43:59,680
continues to get sucked in and i think

3791
02:44:05,269 --> 02:44:03,520
that um uh the math

3792
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:05,279
and the photography

3793
02:44:10,309 --> 02:44:08,080
have shown that at the center of every

3794
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:10,319
galaxy is a black hole that's what's at

3795
02:44:13,910 --> 02:44:11,760
the center of it

3796
02:44:15,990 --> 02:44:13,920
right and it's sucking stuff in and

3797
02:44:18,469 --> 02:44:16,000
getting bigger and bigger and bigger why

3798
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:18,479
would you want to do that in cern why

3799
02:44:27,349 --> 02:44:23,349
it's pretty weird i i don't know about

3800
02:44:28,950 --> 02:44:27,359
the safe zone there i don't know what

3801
02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:28,960
what's the safe zone it's like yeah

3802
02:44:31,910 --> 02:44:30,720
that's not good man

3803
02:44:33,429 --> 02:44:31,920
what'd you do today they were talking

3804
02:44:35,269 --> 02:44:33,439
over dinner hey man what do you do today

3805
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:35,279
i just made it black oh it's so good all

3806
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:37,840
right i'm just creating some antimatter

3807
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:39,600
you know just just to see what's going

3808
02:44:43,510 --> 02:44:41,680
to happen you know see if it's possible

3809
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:43,520
what

3810
02:44:49,349 --> 02:44:47,279
so yes cern cern anything is possible

3811
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:49,359
with what is going on out there mitch

3812
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:51,600
okay you said you had one more question

3813
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:53,120
okay

3814
02:44:56,150 --> 02:44:54,720
i david you just reminded me something

3815
02:44:57,429 --> 02:44:56,160
really quick so

3816
02:44:59,510 --> 02:44:57,439
did you know that you're talking about

3817
02:45:01,590 --> 02:44:59,520
underground bases um how they kind of

3818
02:45:03,670 --> 02:45:01,600
hide that thing

3819
02:45:05,110 --> 02:45:03,680
so here in australia in alice springs

3820
02:45:08,309 --> 02:45:05,120
have you heard of a place called pine

3821
02:45:12,870 --> 02:45:10,550
yeah and that's the biggest underground

3822
02:45:15,990 --> 02:45:12,880
base it's american operated in australia

3823
02:45:17,590 --> 02:45:16,000
it's like area 51 australia have you

3824
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:17,600
been there but um the other thing i

3825
02:45:20,469 --> 02:45:18,640
wanted to

3826
02:45:22,389 --> 02:45:20,479
i haven't no but i really i really want

3827
02:45:28,150 --> 02:45:22,399
to go there with my p1000 hopefully i

3828
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:29,750
you're all right remember that footage

3829
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:31,200
of the iss

3830
02:45:35,030 --> 02:45:33,200
yeah yeah it's all good but remember

3831
02:45:37,750 --> 02:45:35,040
ages ago they had that iss footage of

3832
02:45:39,510 --> 02:45:37,760
that uh thing flying uh

3833
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:39,520
over and then this beam came out and

3834
02:45:44,070 --> 02:45:41,520
shot it and it flew away that came from

3835
02:45:46,469 --> 02:45:44,080
fine gap supposedly oh is that right

3836
02:45:48,630 --> 02:45:46,479
yeah i remember that that that was over

3837
02:45:51,750 --> 02:45:48,640
pine gap wow

3838
02:45:54,950 --> 02:45:51,760
wow you guys

3839
02:45:58,070 --> 02:45:54,960
you have a lot going on over there and

3840
02:46:00,230 --> 02:45:58,080
uh i'm just gonna say this ross and his

3841
02:46:01,670 --> 02:46:00,240
reporting and his new book and the

3842
02:46:03,510 --> 02:46:01,680
documentary

3843
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:03,520
um and what he is doing over there in

3844
02:46:07,269 --> 02:46:05,600
australia he's ruffling feathers all the

3845
02:46:09,269 --> 02:46:07,279
way over here to the united states and

3846
02:46:12,870 --> 02:46:09,279
into the pentagon and the cia in the

3847
02:46:15,670 --> 02:46:12,880
white house and and i really appreciate

3848
02:46:18,790 --> 02:46:15,680
not only his work but our fans uh

3849
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:18,800
throughout australia uh just amazing you

3850
02:46:22,150 --> 02:46:20,800
guys got a lot of strange stuff going on

3851
02:46:25,510 --> 02:46:22,160
over there man

3852
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:25,520
and uh yeah i just want to do one quick

3853
02:46:28,870 --> 02:46:27,200
because i have to go man if that's okay

3854
02:46:30,870 --> 02:46:28,880
but i'd love to just let you know about

3855
02:46:33,510 --> 02:46:30,880
this if you want to look up and you love

3856
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:33,520
like the ancient egyptian uh history yes

3857
02:46:38,230 --> 02:46:36,000
there's actually like heaps of uh

3858
02:46:40,469 --> 02:46:38,240
pyramids in australia and there's one in

3859
02:46:42,150 --> 02:46:40,479
particular in gymki in queenstown that

3860
02:46:43,670 --> 02:46:42,160
got bulldozed into the ocean because

3861
02:46:45,510 --> 02:46:43,680
they wanted to keep it quiet so if you

3862
02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:45,520
want to research that and bring someone

3863
02:47:04,950 --> 02:46:47,600
on the show about it it would be really

3864
02:47:10,309 --> 02:47:07,269
i can't quite remember but yeah they

3865
02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:10,319
literally bulldoze it into the ocean

3866
02:47:15,990 --> 02:47:12,800
okay hold on i'm looking it up right now

3867
02:47:18,550 --> 02:47:16,870
uh

3868
02:47:21,910 --> 02:47:18,560
okay

3869
02:47:23,429 --> 02:47:21,920
all right no i did not know and there it

3870
02:47:24,389 --> 02:47:23,439
is

3871
02:47:26,870 --> 02:47:24,399
huh

3872
02:47:29,750 --> 02:47:26,880
yeah we have pyramids here yeah but no

3873
02:47:31,990 --> 02:47:29,760
one says anything so i honestly reckon

3874
02:47:34,790 --> 02:47:32,000
it was a global ancient uh like

3875
02:47:36,469 --> 02:47:34,800
worldwide culture and i just don't want

3876
02:47:39,030 --> 02:47:36,479
people to know

3877
02:47:40,309 --> 02:47:39,040
that is a crazy pyramid man that looks

3878
02:47:43,670 --> 02:47:40,319
real to me

3879
02:47:45,750 --> 02:47:43,680
um you may be a descendant of cleopatra

3880
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:45,760
you know let's let's not let's not beat

3881
02:47:51,110 --> 02:47:48,479
around the bush i think uh i think

3882
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:51,120
the egyptians are traveling

3883
02:47:55,830 --> 02:47:52,720
hey mitch have a great night man and

3884
02:47:56,950 --> 02:47:55,840
thank you for the phone call

3885
02:47:58,309 --> 02:47:56,960
i've been listening to you for five

3886
02:47:59,670 --> 02:47:58,319
years man you're a legend you keep your

3887
02:48:01,750 --> 02:47:59,680
company at work and i appreciate what

3888
02:48:03,830 --> 02:48:01,760
you do here i know i appreciate you

3889
02:48:07,110 --> 02:48:03,840
mitch and tell everybody down under i

3890
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:08,790
yeah i'm gonna say put another ship on

3891
02:48:14,309 --> 02:48:10,960
the barbie man but yeah i know

3892
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:14,319
i'm i'm not gonna do it fade to black

3893
02:48:19,510 --> 02:48:17,279
thank you mitch have a great night man

3894
02:48:21,750 --> 02:48:19,520
right right on it's a great phone call

3895
02:48:24,550 --> 02:48:21,760
right there i was gonna say shrimp on

3896
02:48:25,510 --> 02:48:24,560
the barbie but i'm not gonna do it well

3897
02:48:29,110 --> 02:48:25,520
played

3898
02:48:34,389 --> 02:48:31,830
cern is something that

3899
02:48:37,590 --> 02:48:34,399
uh i don't think

3900
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:37,600
uh we should allow

3901
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:39,279
cern to

3902
02:48:45,190 --> 02:48:41,600
get away from

3903
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:45,200
our eyes our our questioning

3904
02:48:50,230 --> 02:48:47,520
and i'm being very very very very

3905
02:48:53,030 --> 02:48:50,240
serious now it's not the only uh

3906
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:53,040
collider in the world you've got a bunch

3907
02:48:56,830 --> 02:48:54,720
here in the united states there's a

3908
02:48:59,349 --> 02:48:56,840
couple in in

3909
02:49:02,469 --> 02:48:59,359
russia uh i think there's one in spain

3910
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:02,479
there's a couple in the united kingdom

3911
02:49:06,790 --> 02:49:04,960
china's building um uh right now and

3912
02:49:08,790 --> 02:49:06,800
they've got a couple over there

3913
02:49:12,790 --> 02:49:08,800
and uh i don't know if there's a

3914
02:49:14,630 --> 02:49:12,800
particle collider in australia

3915
02:49:16,550 --> 02:49:14,640
but i looked up the list

3916
02:49:18,550 --> 02:49:16,560
of particle colliders around the world i

3917
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:18,560
think there's like 15.

3918
02:49:21,830 --> 02:49:19,439
and

3919
02:49:24,830 --> 02:49:21,840
there's one in chicago there's one in

3920
02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:24,840
new york there's one in san

3921
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:28,080
francisco and there's another one here

3922
02:49:32,230 --> 02:49:29,600
in the united states so i think we have

3923
02:49:33,830 --> 02:49:32,240
four maybe five here in the united

3924
02:49:36,870 --> 02:49:33,840
states of course the big one the large

3925
02:49:38,389 --> 02:49:36,880
hadron uh collider cern

3926
02:49:40,550 --> 02:49:38,399
is uh the big one and they're getting

3927
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:40,560
ready to build another one

3928
02:49:46,389 --> 02:49:43,520
uh around that one there's gonna be an

3929
02:49:50,070 --> 02:49:46,399
even larger one there but those

3930
02:49:52,870 --> 02:49:50,080
experiments where you are and i i get it

3931
02:49:58,309 --> 02:49:52,880
you want to be able to just do stuff and

3932
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:02,150
if you think about uh what was uh

3933
02:50:06,309 --> 02:50:04,160
done with electricity here in the united

3934
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:06,319
states and around the world or radio or

3935
02:50:10,550 --> 02:50:08,399
electromagnet you know just kicking up

3936
02:50:13,110 --> 02:50:10,560
tesla you know kicking up voltages and

3937
02:50:15,990 --> 02:50:13,120
let's see what happens i get that

3938
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:16,000
all right but with cern

3939
02:50:20,870 --> 02:50:19,600
black holes and antimatter

3940
02:50:23,990 --> 02:50:20,880
ah

3941
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:24,000
man i'm just saying that whole neutrino

3942
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:25,920
thing that they're doing right now

3943
02:50:28,710 --> 02:50:27,359
fascinating let's go back to the phones

3944
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:28,720
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3945
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:32,389
jason

3946
02:50:36,389 --> 02:50:34,240
this is who

3947
02:50:38,070 --> 02:50:36,399
jason jason how are you man where are

3948
02:50:39,990 --> 02:50:38,080
you calling from

3949
02:50:41,429 --> 02:50:40,000
um hammond california

3950
02:50:45,990 --> 02:50:41,439
hemet

3951
02:50:49,590 --> 02:50:46,000
yeah jimmy san jacinto yep near temecula

3952
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:49,600
yes what's on your mind tonight jason

3953
02:50:54,790 --> 02:50:52,560
i was about eight years old and i um i

3954
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:54,800
broke my arm and i have two distinct

3955
02:50:59,190 --> 02:50:57,120
memories of that night breaking my arm

3956
02:51:02,309 --> 02:50:59,200
and i asked my sister about it and she

3957
02:51:03,510 --> 02:51:02,319
has a totally different memory

3958
02:51:05,910 --> 02:51:03,520
and there were

3959
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:05,920
only three people there right

3960
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:09,439
right and it was it was

3961
02:51:12,630 --> 02:51:11,040
i okay you know when you lay on your

3962
02:51:14,230 --> 02:51:12,640
back and somebody sits on your feet and

3963
02:51:15,030 --> 02:51:14,240
you push them and they go through the

3964
02:51:16,830 --> 02:51:15,040
air

3965
02:51:19,590 --> 02:51:16,840
yes helicopter

3966
02:51:23,110 --> 02:51:19,600
yeah okay and

3967
02:51:25,910 --> 02:51:23,120
the the older kid jason as well then did

3968
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:25,920
it to me and when i came down i landed

3969
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:28,560
on my um left arm and broke it and one

3970
02:51:34,870 --> 02:51:31,439
the inside bone of the arm on screen yes

3971
02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:34,880
i was a regular fracture right and

3972
02:51:38,790 --> 02:51:37,200
after i come in the memories they

3973
02:51:40,550 --> 02:51:38,800
diverge out

3974
02:51:43,830 --> 02:51:40,560
at the point i believe is when the

3975
02:51:47,349 --> 02:51:43,840
doctor was reset in the bone

3976
02:51:49,269 --> 02:51:47,359
and because the on one memory i come

3977
02:51:50,790 --> 02:51:49,279
home and it's still daylight it's like

3978
02:51:51,830 --> 02:51:50,800
almost desk

3979
02:51:56,309 --> 02:51:51,840
and

3980
02:51:58,389 --> 02:51:56,319
um

3981
02:52:01,269 --> 02:51:58,399
we go to sleep and then we went camping

3982
02:52:03,510 --> 02:52:01,279
the next day and the second memory is

3983
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:03,520
when i got home it was

3984
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:05,600
like nighttime is probably really late

3985
02:52:10,150 --> 02:52:07,680
seek that life and

3986
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:10,160
um we i went to bed and without dinner

3987
02:52:14,790 --> 02:52:12,000
and went captain the next day it's like

3988
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:14,800
totally different and they seem to carry

3989
02:52:22,230 --> 02:52:20,309
how do you explain that

3990
02:52:32,710 --> 02:52:22,240
i i can't

3991
02:52:38,070 --> 02:52:36,389
how much older uh is she than you

3992
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:38,080
um

3993
02:52:41,910 --> 02:52:39,359
about two years

3994
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:41,920
two years and you were how old eight you

3995
02:52:44,790 --> 02:52:42,720
said

3996
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:44,800
about about eight years old yeah and so

3997
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:46,880
she would have been 10.

3998
02:52:52,469 --> 02:52:50,160
um you know actually i'm gonna say

3999
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:52,479
that's pretty close in age i think when

4000
02:52:55,349 --> 02:52:54,000
you're eight you should be able to

4001
02:52:58,469 --> 02:52:55,359
remember what

4002
02:53:02,630 --> 02:52:58,479
you know a pretty clear distinct memory

4003
02:53:04,550 --> 02:53:02,640
um yeah and so how could hers be

4004
02:53:06,070 --> 02:53:04,560
so different

4005
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:06,080
yeah that's pretty

4006
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:07,439
it's pretty interesting you remember is

4007
02:53:10,870 --> 02:53:09,600
more people too and i just remembered

4008
02:53:12,150 --> 02:53:10,880
the three of us

4009
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:12,160
right

4010
02:53:25,670 --> 02:53:14,880
i

4011
02:53:26,950 --> 02:53:25,680
there's part of me that wants to say you

4012
02:53:30,550 --> 02:53:26,960
know what i'm going to go with your

4013
02:53:33,590 --> 02:53:30,560
sister she was older you were in pain

4014
02:53:35,670 --> 02:53:33,600
you know your your your your your brain

4015
02:53:37,510 --> 02:53:35,680
was messed up you're you're dealing with

4016
02:53:39,910 --> 02:53:37,520
the physical trauma

4017
02:53:41,590 --> 02:53:39,920
maybe you just got it all wrong and then

4018
02:53:44,550 --> 02:53:41,600
the other part is dude it's your

4019
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:44,560
experience you were the one there you

4020
02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:46,960
were the one you know and and

4021
02:53:51,030 --> 02:53:48,640
why why

4022
02:53:53,590 --> 02:53:51,040
would you have it so wrong and why would

4023
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:53,600
she be so adamant about it yeah i don't

4024
02:53:57,670 --> 02:53:55,760
know i don't know

4025
02:54:01,429 --> 02:53:57,680
has has her

4026
02:54:02,710 --> 02:54:01,439
recalling of things has it changed any

4027
02:54:03,429 --> 02:54:02,720
of yours

4028
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:03,439
or

4029
02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:06,160
are you just you're you're stuck with

4030
02:54:11,429 --> 02:54:08,800
with three people and and and you got

4031
02:54:14,230 --> 02:54:11,439
home before it was dark

4032
02:54:15,990 --> 02:54:14,240
um it's my memories to feel the same

4033
02:54:19,429 --> 02:54:16,000
this the same strength

4034
02:54:23,830 --> 02:54:21,990
you know um it's like her serious didn't

4035
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:23,840
change mine a bit so

4036
02:54:27,510 --> 02:54:26,000
when when i was a kid i'm going to share

4037
02:54:29,110 --> 02:54:27,520
this with you i'm going to tell you the

4038
02:54:31,670 --> 02:54:29,120
short version of it

4039
02:54:33,830 --> 02:54:31,680
uh we're all in the backyard goofing

4040
02:54:38,309 --> 02:54:33,840
around and we had a rope swing in the

4041
02:54:40,550 --> 02:54:38,319
tree right it's me it's my brother um

4042
02:54:43,590 --> 02:54:40,560
my younger brother

4043
02:54:45,830 --> 02:54:43,600
my sister who is older carol and so

4044
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:45,840
we're all in the backyard in michigan

4045
02:54:50,790 --> 02:54:48,640
and i watch

4046
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:50,800
my brother mike fall

4047
02:54:55,990 --> 02:54:54,479
um off of the rope swing

4048
02:54:59,910 --> 02:54:56,000
and

4049
02:55:02,550 --> 02:54:59,920
i see the whole thing i hear it i'm

4050
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:02,560
there i see the whole thing and uh and

4051
02:55:07,429 --> 02:55:05,359
he gets up and his arm is dragging on

4052
02:55:09,910 --> 02:55:07,439
the ground right his his collar bone's

4053
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:09,920
broke and he's screaming

4054
02:55:12,630 --> 02:55:11,760
he's in pain

4055
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:12,640
and

4056
02:55:20,710 --> 02:55:18,479
him telling this is years later that he

4057
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:20,720
wasn't on the rope swing he he fell out

4058
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,240
of the tree

4059
02:55:25,590 --> 02:55:24,640
and that he didn't scream that it didn't

4060
02:55:27,990 --> 02:55:25,600
hurt

4061
02:55:29,110 --> 02:55:28,000
right it was the exact opposite of what

4062
02:55:32,550 --> 02:55:29,120
i saw

4063
02:55:35,110 --> 02:55:32,560
you know he's got this rope swing

4064
02:55:36,309 --> 02:55:35,120
cranking up cranking up he falls out

4065
02:55:37,110 --> 02:55:36,319
off of it

4066
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:37,120
and

4067
02:55:47,670 --> 02:55:46,640
wasn't on the rope swing i was up in the

4068
02:55:50,389 --> 02:55:47,680
tree

4069
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:50,399
i have no idea

4070
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:52,960
and he swears his version of the story

4071
02:55:56,389 --> 02:55:54,080
is right

4072
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:56,399
and and i saw it happen with my own two

4073
02:55:59,670 --> 02:55:58,000
eyes i was standing right there i saw

4074
02:56:01,830 --> 02:55:59,680
the whole thing go down

4075
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:01,840
so there you go i even had to tell my

4076
02:56:05,030 --> 02:56:03,200
parents what happened

4077
02:56:07,510 --> 02:56:05,040
you know they weren't out there

4078
02:56:09,429 --> 02:56:07,520
and so there you go i don't know i don't

4079
02:56:10,389 --> 02:56:09,439
know jason i don't know what to tell you

4080
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:10,399
man

4081
02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:13,200
i don't know what to tell you so in my

4082
02:56:16,710 --> 02:56:15,760
case my brother's wrong i'm just telling

4083
02:56:18,870 --> 02:56:16,720
you i

4084
02:56:19,590 --> 02:56:18,880
my story's the right one

4085
02:56:20,950 --> 02:56:19,600
so

4086
02:56:22,710 --> 02:56:20,960
i don't know maybe it's the same thing

4087
02:56:24,630 --> 02:56:22,720
with your sister

4088
02:56:26,389 --> 02:56:24,640
no i look at it as

4089
02:56:27,830 --> 02:56:26,399
both of us are right

4090
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:27,840
you know we have our own perceptions

4091
02:56:32,070 --> 02:56:29,600
what we thought and what we went through

4092
02:56:36,550 --> 02:56:33,910
just remembers it kind of differently

4093
02:56:38,469 --> 02:56:36,560
yeah that's tasty that's tasty well you

4094
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:38,479
know how it is you know when a car

4095
02:56:41,830 --> 02:56:40,160
accident happens and you've got 10

4096
02:56:42,870 --> 02:56:41,840
witnesses and you've got 10 different

4097
02:56:44,309 --> 02:56:42,880
versions

4098
02:56:45,510 --> 02:56:44,319
that's it yeah even though people are

4099
02:56:48,309 --> 02:56:45,520
sitting next to each other and see the

4100
02:56:50,150 --> 02:56:48,319
same thing yep yep yep yep yep yep hey

4101
02:56:51,190 --> 02:56:50,160
jason thank you for the phone call my

4102
02:56:53,750 --> 02:56:51,200
man

4103
02:56:55,190 --> 02:56:53,760
oh thank you you have a great night yeah

4104
02:56:55,990 --> 02:56:55,200
youtube we'll see you tomorrow right

4105
02:56:59,349 --> 02:56:56,000
here

4106
02:57:02,309 --> 02:56:59,359
and uh jason from hemet love hemet what

4107
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:02,319
a great show tonight and uh

4108
02:57:06,630 --> 02:57:04,720
nick redfearn time travel

4109
02:57:09,510 --> 02:57:06,640
jason that was a good call though that

4110
02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:09,520
was a good call what do we you know i

4111
02:57:14,230 --> 02:57:11,840
i i don't know uh

4112
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:14,240
uh man i'm gonna run out of time but i

4113
02:57:18,389 --> 02:57:16,720
was witness to this motorcycle accident

4114
02:57:19,269 --> 02:57:18,399
i've told the story before here on the

4115
02:57:22,150 --> 02:57:19,279
show

4116
02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:22,160
and and i i was there i was on the

4117
02:57:26,710 --> 02:57:24,080
street corner i saw the whole thing

4118
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:26,720
happen in real time

4119
02:57:30,469 --> 02:57:29,120
and the cop comes up to me

4120
02:57:32,790 --> 02:57:30,479
there's a lot of cops there and it was a

4121
02:57:35,269 --> 02:57:32,800
horrific accident and i was right there

4122
02:57:37,670 --> 02:57:35,279
on the scene and and and

4123
02:57:39,910 --> 02:57:37,680
was right there on top of uh the guy the

4124
02:57:42,150 --> 02:57:39,920
the writer the cop comes up and goes

4125
02:57:43,349 --> 02:57:42,160
okay mr church one more time what

4126
02:57:45,670 --> 02:57:43,359
happened

4127
02:57:47,349 --> 02:57:45,680
and i go well you know what he goes look

4128
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:47,359
that witness over there has got the

4129
02:57:51,429 --> 02:57:49,040
motorcycle the car coming from the

4130
02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:51,439
opposite direction i said no it was no

4131
02:57:57,349 --> 02:57:54,240
no he goes man i've got 10 witnesses

4132
02:57:58,950 --> 02:57:57,359
i've got 10 different versions

4133
02:58:00,389 --> 02:57:58,960
of what happened here on the street

4134
02:58:01,990 --> 02:58:00,399
corner i said well mine's the right one

4135
02:58:04,070 --> 02:58:02,000
i was standing right here he said well

4136
02:58:07,269 --> 02:58:04,080
that's what everybody else says i don't

4137
02:58:10,469 --> 02:58:07,279
know what to do and and there you go

4138
02:58:11,590 --> 02:58:10,479
my version i mean i saw it

4139
02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:11,600
happen

4140
02:58:16,389 --> 02:58:14,880
and and apparently so did everybody else

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so there you go what are you gonna do

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tomorrow is thursday which

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means one thing

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open lines all night long tomorrow night

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is fader night i want to thank nick

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redfern great show great book

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time travel the science and science

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fiction you've got to read it it's a

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great book fade to black is produced by

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hill j paul renee dennis and kevin

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02:58:43,429 --> 02:58:40,640
announcers are steve harter gene vettel

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02:58:47,469 --> 02:58:43,439
mark d kovar webmaster is drew the geek

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02:58:49,510 --> 02:58:47,479
music doug aldridge intro spaceboy

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spaceboymusic.com i got spaceboy's

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guitar

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way over there on the other end of the

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room i have it

4159
02:58:59,590 --> 02:58:57,279
fade to black is produced by kjcr and

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the an x network for the game changer

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network i'm your host

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jimmy church this broadcast owned a

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copyrighted 2021 by fade to black and

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02:59:09,510 --> 02:59:07,439
the game changer network inc it cannot

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02:59:11,349 --> 02:59:09,520
be rebroadcast downloaded copied or used

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anywhere in the known universe without

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written permission from fade to black in

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the game changing network

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carbonyls jimmy church tomorrow's

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thursday it's open lines all night long

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because it is fader night until then

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i want you to be safe